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Babax wrote:Yes, Saddam killed many people, and what? Bush killed much more, Toni Blair`s army killed plenty of guys, well, ANY country have huje graveyard behind... So? The only reason for Saddam to be hang up - is that he couldn`t defend himself with all his army. In world history there are no good and bad people - there are those who win and thouse, who loose.

History is rewriting by victorious! And who control the past - control the future. For example, nor russians, nor americans have no history, all that you`ve taught is a lie. For example some stupid people still think that WW2 was win mainly by allied force. What an enormous lie! Well, that`s the way the things are done, and doesn`t matter what we think about it.

Uh...

The people who Saddam killed were citizens of his own country, who defied him. The people who Bush "killed" were iraqis, and *most* of them were shooting at our troops. Now, I am and always was completely against the war for the semi-selfish reason that it is bad for America, but I don't see how Bush is anywhere near as bad as Saddam. Would you rather live in America right now or Iraq 10 years ago?

Bush won, and Saddam lost, because Bush was elected to a superpower with a huge army, whereas Saddam was "elected" to a country comprised of three rival ethnicities that had been trying to kill each other for thousands of years, and then he tried to make it a superpower while also making people hating him. But Saddam never would have been "elected" to a better place because he was crazy and because he wasn't really elected.

So wait, all that we've been taught is a lie? Care to elaborate? You seem to think that WWII was not actually won by the allies... Was it won by the Axis? Was it won by Aliens? Was it won by Bush?

Babax wrote:That`s the way the world is spinning, and we can`t do anything against it. Yes, Saddam killed many people, and what? Bush killed much more, Toni Blair`s army killed plenty of guys, well, ANY country have huje graveyard behind... So? The only reason for Saddam to be hang up - is that he couldn`t defend himself with all his army. In world history there are no good and bad people - there are those who win and thouse, who loose.

History is rewriting by victorious! And who control the past - control the future. For example, nor russians, nor americans have no history, all that you`ve taught is a lie. For example some stupid people still think that WW2 was win mainly by allied force. What an enormous lie! Well, that`s the way the things are done, and doesn`t matter what we think about it.

AHAHAHAH please - tell me more

Lindir The Green, well, to tell you the truth, WW2 was won by Soviet Army, and Soviet Army - not the same as Allied forces.

Saddam - was set as a president of Iraq because of USA support... Something like "I born you, that`s why I kill you". Well, It`s very hard to make people to prosper if you country can`t sell OIL and goods, but only to barter them on medical stuff and food. Who thought this? U.S.A. Who make money on Iraq oil - U.S.A.

Do you think that people in Iraq will live better? See the news :) They`ve just get another "new cool democracy president, witch long ago was Saddam", just to get Iraq oil. What was the first objects for US army to occup? OIL rings rifineryes, and Saddam`s army not willing to give his country resources, that`s why many of oil-transport infrastructures was blowen up and all two oir refinery was blown up also.

Does really someone think that this war was just to bring DEMOCRACY to the Iraq people??? Do they have it all now??? Hehehe... Quite doubtfull...
And what about Saddam killed his own people, well, there are two way sometimes - or they kill you, or you kill them.

I say we pave over all of the middle east and turn it into a walmart parking lot. whos with me?

The people who Bush "killed" were iraqis, and *most* of them were shooting at our troops.

lololol you're so naive, it hurts my brain.

Comp1337 wrote:

Babax wrote:That`s the way the world is spinning, and we can`t do anything against it. Yes, Saddam killed many people, and what? Bush killed much more, Toni Blair`s army killed plenty of guys, well, ANY country have huje graveyard behind... So? The only reason for Saddam to be hang up - is that he couldn`t defend himself with all his army. In world history there are no good and bad people - there are those who win and thouse, who loose.

History is rewriting by victorious! And who control the past - control the future. For example, nor russians, nor americans have no history, all that you`ve taught is a lie. For example some stupid people still think that WW2 was win mainly by allied force. What an enormous lie! Well, that`s the way the things are done, and doesn`t matter what we think about it.

AHAHAHAH please - tell me more

Although exaggerated, he's pretty much right. What exactly do you disagree with?

Babax wrote:Lindir The Green, well, to tell you the truth, WW2 was won by Soviet Army, and Soviet Army - not the same as Allied forces.

I knew that, because that's what I was taught from classes/books/parents ect. I consider the Soviets to be part of the Allies, because they were allied with the Allies.

Saddam - was set as a president of Iraq because of USA support... Something like "I born you, that`s why I kill you". Well, It`s very hard to make people to prosper if you country can`t sell OIL and goods, but only to barter them on medical stuff and food. Who thought this? U.S.A. Who make money on Iraq oil - U.S.A.

Do you think that people in Iraq will live better? See the news :) They`ve just get another "new cool democracy president, witch long ago was Saddam", just to get Iraq oil. What was the first objects for US army to occup? OIL rings rifineryes, and Saddam`s army not willing to give his country resources, that`s why many of oil-transport infrastructures was blowen up and all two oir refinery was blown up also.

Does really someone think that this war was just to bring DEMOCRACY to the Iraq people??? Do they have it all now??? Hehehe... Quite doubtfull...
And what about Saddam killed his own people, well, there are two way sometimes - or they kill you, or you kill them.

I agree with all of that, but you're changing the subject. I still want to know why you think Bush is going to start gassing small towns.

SpikedHelmet wrote:lololol you're so naive, it hurts my brain.

Thanks.

I think I speak for all of us in the Spring forums when I say that your post truly enriched our lives in new and thought provoking ways. You are a hero. A true hero, leading us ever onward towards the light of reason. No matter what anybody tells you, I, for one, hope that you never stop dispensing your wonderfully eloquent tidbits of information.

P.S.

Could you enlighten me which the knowlege of what exactly "lololol" means? It seems difficult to pronounce, which leads me to believe that it is an acronym... I can't think of anything though that exactly fits. But I'm probably just not as wise and all knowing as you.

It means "laughing out loud out loud out loud", duh. For someone who's smart, you sure aren't very intelligent.

His hanging video has been leaked for anyone interested in the grizzly.

It's not that grizzly, you don't really see much. Stupid cellphone videos... but you do get split-second images of him whenever a photo is taken.

Whoa theres liek deb8in' goin on in mah topic. Cool.

/ returns to lurking.

tombom wrote:

Comp1337 wrote:

Babax wrote:That`s the way the world is spinning, and we can`t do anything against it. Yes, Saddam killed many people, and what? Bush killed much more, Toni Blair`s army killed plenty of guys, well, ANY country have huje graveyard behind... So? The only reason for Saddam to be hang up - is that he couldn`t defend himself with all his army. In world history there are no good and bad people - there are those who win and thouse, who loose.

History is rewriting by victorious! And who control the past - control the future. For example, nor russians, nor americans have no history, all that you`ve taught is a lie. For example some stupid people still think that WW2 was win mainly by allied force. What an enormous lie! Well, that`s the way the things are done, and doesn`t matter what we think about it.

AHAHAHAH please - tell me more

Although exaggerated, he's pretty much right. What exactly do you disagree with?

Mostly where he defends saddam and is all "onoz dey kill sadam bcuz no d fens"

For example, nor russians, nor americans have no history, all that you`ve taught is a lie. < i mean wtf

So wait, all that we've been taught is a lie? Care to elaborate? You seem to think that WWII was not actually won by the allies... Was it won by the Axis? Was it won by Aliens? Was it won by Bush? +1

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Lindir The Green - I didn`t say that Bush gonna gasing small towns. I`ve just saying that his external activity don`t do any good to american people, I wonder, how many Americans Saddam killed? And his relation to terrorism wasn`t true.

I`ve just saying that there no one-sided world anymore. There are China, Russia, USA, India, Japan... USA army is not the ultimate force anymore, and Bush politics doesn`t do any good for his own people... I wonder, how long will it lasts...

WW2 was won by the allies, but if it had been won by the Germans we wouldn't be talking about how evil Hitler was 20 years later. Hitler's actions would have been justified and rationalized, just like the violent actions of the allies were. Likely we'd be reading about the atrocities of Churchill and Macarthur. The allies won, and therefore they get to decide who on the other side was evil. This is what is meant by history is written by the victors.

As for saddam, I'm against killing him. I consider being able to topple someone misusing their power without having to actually do physical harm to them a good thing generally. If only it was always that easy.

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Comp1337 wrote:hahahaha
Dude, at least bush doesnt gas his own people for insubordination - a whole village

Id rather live in bush-ruled america than saddam-iraq thank you

Babax wrote:Well, let`s see what will happen with America within next 3 years :)

And do you REALLY think that it was right like you`ve been showing on TV?

Babax wrote:Lindir The Green - I didn`t say that Bush gonna gasing small towns. I`ve just saying that his external activity don`t do any good to american people, I wonder, how many Americans Saddam killed? And his relation to terrorism wasn`t true.

I`ve just saying that there no one-sided world anymore. There are China, Russia, USA, India, Japan... USA army is not the ultimate force anymore, and Bush politics doesn`t do any good for his own people... I wonder, how long will it lasts...

YOUR point is that Bush is bad for America, which I agree with. Though you seem to be getting into a lot of "It is America's time to fall" stuff, which I don't agree with.
MY point is that I would rather in America than in Iraq 10 years ago, but you don't seem to share my opinion there, because you disagreed with Comp1337, and Comp1337 said 2 things:

1) Bush doesn't gas villages in his own country.
2) It is better in Bush's America than in Saddam's Iraq.

So, I ask you, why? What makes Saddam's Iraq better than Bush's America?[/quote]

Comp1337 wrote:I say we pave over all of the middle east and turn it into a walmart parking lot. whos with me?

Now theres an idea thats a real winner .

Did anyone else see clips of his funeral on the news? I found it funny that they hauled his casket in the back of a little pickup-truck, and "Approximatley 100 people attended" the funeral.

Lindir The Green - MY point is that for Iraq people Saddam much better then Bush, and for americans - Bush is much better than Saddam :)