Spring RTS Engine

1v0ry_k1ng wrote:

Hackfresser wrote:i have outlined before that NOT building the correct counter to an attack that might never come is a viable option

again, this is NOT an issue of either l2p or me so awesome.

that the BA community mostly only play a single map and ignore all other mods should probably alert you to the obvious:

BA players dont like -or want- change. of any kind. ever!

Change? What is this blasphemy you speak of!

Hackfresser wrote:i have outlined before that NOT building the correct counter to an attack that might never come is a viable option

again, this is NOT an issue of either l2p or me so awesome.

When you talk of big dsd games, the issue is that you need to l2p as a team. Yes that won't likely ever happen, but it's really counterproductive to balance for games that are never played with ideal strategies built with a decent, cooperating team.

And who are you anyway? Can you actually play this game decently



Yep and change without good reasoning sucks

ok. i suck, i cant play, and i certainly cant play in a team.
now that we agreed on this, can we get back on topic plz

Hackfresser wrote:ok. i suck, i cant play, and i certainly cant play in a team.
now that we agreed on this, can we get back on topic plz

Your "goodenoughplayertobelieve" level just dropped to 0.

Hackfresser wrote:ok. i suck, i cant play, and i certainly cant play in a team.
now that we agreed on this, can we get back on topic plz

forgot to mention, the credibility of your proposals is also proportional to your reputed skill at the game

unlucky bro

Ok lets be honest, how often do comdrops happen early game in anything besides 8v8 games?

I can't even remember the last time I saw it outside of 8v8 dsd. And seriously nobody cares about little balance issues in 8v8 games, it's a shitfest and crazy things happen. Deal with it.


Also build aa for crying out loud, 2 dirt cheap defenders will stop a comdrop.

JohannesH wrote:When you talk of big dsd games, the issue is that you need to l2p as a team. Yes that won't likely ever happen, but it's really counterproductive to balance for games that are never played with ideal strategies built with a decent, cooperating team.

And who are you anyway? Can you actually play this game decently



Yep and change without good reasoning sucks

Quoting this for truth. If you're too dumb to counter a common tactic, that's your problem, not a problem with the game.

Even in a crappy 8v8 dsd game, if all 4 front players built 2 defenders, the entire team would be instantly immune to early comdrops. Yay.

tbh its so ez to get aa in the area where the com dropper is planning on escaping, as he's dgunning ur base, which i find is usually a nice trade cuz i like to save all my cons before comdrop lands then i rebuild on da nice free com metal

Hobo Joe wrote:Ok lets be honest, how often do comdrops happen early game in anything besides 8v8 games?

I can't even remember the last time I saw it outside of 8v8 dsd. And seriously nobody cares about little balance issues in 8v8 games, it's a shitfest and crazy things happen. Deal with it.


Also build aa for crying out loud, 2 dirt cheap defenders will stop a comdrop.

it depends more of the players, not map or team size. and u need 3 defenders to kill trans at once newb

Wombat wrote: it depends more of the players, not map or team size. and u need 3 defenders to kill trans at once newb

This.


Also, don't even bother starting another Combomb/drop rant thread @ New guys.

Wombat wrote: it depends more of the players, not map or team size. and u need 3 defenders to kill trans at once newb

if you build them a little in front of your base you can do it with 2.

And yeah it depends on the players, but its much less common in smaller games because there's a much higher risk involved.

Hobo Joe wrote: And yeah it depends on the players, but its much less common in smaller games because there's a much higher risk involved.

Oh? And why is that? Surely if there's more players in the game then you're more likely to not come out of the drop alive?

I'm actually surprised it's not more common in a 1v1 - in that case, you'd have a more definite case of 1 team with an aircon and the other team with nothing but possibly a comm.

I think it's more that in a 1v1 it ends the game, making it kind of dull. In a teamgame you get to go on to smash the teammates.

Pxtl wrote:I'm actually surprised it's not more common in a 1v1 - in that case, you'd have a more definite case of 1 team with an aircon and the other team with nothing but possibly a comm.

I think it's more that in a 1v1 it ends the game, making it kind of dull. In a teamgame you get to go on to smash the teammates.

It's not common in a 1v1 cause it's against the rules? wtf are you talking about anyway, if 1 player doesnt have a comm he loses, and how would a player with an aircon stand a chance vs a player with a comm anyway


This forum needs less noobs crying about balance and more noobs asking how to play :/

Jazcash wrote:[
Oh? And why is that? Surely if there's more players in the game then you're more likely to not come out of the drop alive?

I mean losing your com is a bigger hit to the team in a small game than a big one.

And just btw I'm talking about early game drops.

Hobo Joe wrote:

Jazcash wrote: Oh? And why is that? Surely if there's more players in the game then you're more likely to not come out of the drop alive?

I mean losing your com is a bigger hit to the team in a small game than a big one.

And just btw I'm talking about early game drops.

Oh you mean risky for the dropper if he loses his Com when I was talking about the risk of actually losing the Com...

Jazcash wrote:

Hobo Joe wrote:

Jazcash wrote: Oh? And why is that? Surely if there's more players in the game then you're more likely to not come out of the drop alive?

I mean losing your com is a bigger hit to the team in a small game than a big one.

And just btw I'm talking about early game drops.

Oh you mean risky for the dropper if he loses his Com when I was talking about the risk of actually losing the Com...

What I mean is, building an early lab and com dropping puts you way behind and makes you basically worthless to the team for several minutes, in and 8v8 game that's not as big of a problem as it is in a 3v3, for example.

Risk/reward analysis is all good. Except that the problem-comdroppers are the ones who don't care about the outcome of the game, who drop until they die, then quit and do something else with their time.

drop near enemy lab, dgun, and escape, and youve just earnt yourself a big lead

pretty do-able in teamgames

Hobo Joe wrote:

Jazcash wrote:

Hobo Joe wrote:
I mean losing your com is a bigger hit to the team in a small game than a big one.

And just btw I'm talking about early game drops.

Oh you mean risky for the dropper if he loses his Com when I was talking about the risk of actually losing the Com...

What I mean is, building an early lab and com dropping puts you way behind and makes you basically worthless to the team for several minutes, in and 8v8 game that's not as big of a problem as it is in a 3v3, for example.

I've seen Comdropping work in 1v1's by pro's many times. It just requires "Regret" like skill.

Jazcash wrote:
I've seen Comdropping work in 1v1's by pro's many times. It just requires "Regret" like skill.

Never said it was impossible.