Spring RTS Engine

My mate aquired a beta and sold it on ebay for $330 :O

luckywaldo7 wrote:Its the sc2 comdrop: http://www.youtube.com/watch#playnext=1 ... S4uoqlVL_c

Gota wrote:hehe
Wonder if this thing works vs champs.

Not likely, the main reson it worked here was cause the protoss player went for tech early, so he didn't have many zealots.

Progamers will likely scout this and counter it, if they are toss they would probably spam zealots and use chrono booster on the gateways.

A good toss player might also try to block the landing zone of the CC by placing out pylons under it and then cancel them to regain the mineral once the CC moves around trying to land somewhere else only to have that location denied by another pylon.

This will buy time for a few more zealots to be warped in.


Terran players could try to spam supply depos in the same fashion as the toss would with pylos, and marines would be able to dmg the CC before it manages to land.
And the terran player could always lift his own CC or make it into a fortress himself as an last resort


But it is an instresting strategy, and it might work against some high level players, if they are trying to fast tech or fast expansion.

If you insist on using this strategy, try to limit it to toss players who build proxy with tech, or fast 2nd nexus.


Note that it won't work as well vs zerg since you can't land on the "creep", but you could try landing behind the mineral lines if there are enough room for it.
And a zerg could easily avoid this too by placing out a creep tumor with a queen.


Btw, where we going to start a Spring clan for StarCraft 2?
If we are, then it might be better if i do not post counter-strategies in a public thread... hm.

Sounds like cool idea, i'm gonna buy that game.

1v0ry_k1ng wrote:SCII can watch replays without a beta key or crack just by dragging repays onto the exe, so I checked it out

first impressions are pretty meh and it looks like anus on medium graphics

Yeah, there was a grafical bug that made medium grafic settings look multiple times worse then low grafic settings on some computers.

I think it will be fixed in the in the 0.3.0.14093 version.

They will also add an auto-detection option for that release.

Still can't attack while moving?




Wow Blizzard.

Hobo Joe wrote:Still can't attack while moving?




Wow Blizzard.

Thats a game feature and its a game feature i like, atleast in this gameseries.

Im guessing you never played sc1?
If vultures could attack at the same time as they moved... then everyone would be playing terran, and no melee units would ever be used.

Soul wrote:

Hobo Joe wrote:Still can't attack while moving?




Wow Blizzard.

Thats a game feature and its a game feature i like, atleast in this gameseries.

Im guessing you never played sc1?
If vultures could attack at the same time as they moved... then everyone would be playing terran.

Yes I have, but I'm not a fan of it, and that's one of the many reasons. Back in the day it was reasonable to not include it, but seriously, this is 2010, that should be a no-brainer feature. And obviously, overpowered things like that would have to be balanced accordingly.

Hobo Joe wrote:

Soul wrote:

Hobo Joe wrote:Still can't attack while moving?




Wow Blizzard.

Thats a game feature and its a game feature i like, atleast in this gameseries.

Im guessing you never played sc1?
If vultures could attack at the same time as they moved... then everyone would be playing terran.

Yes I have, but I'm not a fan of it, and that's one of the many reasons. Back in the day it was reasonable to not include it, but seriously, this is 2010, that should be a no-brainer feature.

Why? can you run and fire a gausrifle at the same time? Will you hit what you are aiming for if you do?

And half if not more of the micro would disapear, and micro is whats separates the progamers from the animals.

In Starcraft a progamer could take out the equivalent of a goliath with the equivalent of a flash if he put enough skill into it.

1v0ry_k1ng wrote:they have already cracked it so you can watch replays without a beta key and they predict they can unlock the botmatch by tonight

3 years of battlenet development defeated by anon in a day and a half

because the downloadable executable that doesn't require a beta key to install can play replays by default. The most of the SC2 community is disagreeing on weather or not it's even intended to be locked.

SwiftSpear wrote:

1v0ry_k1ng wrote:they have already cracked it so you can watch replays without a beta key and they predict they can unlock the botmatch by tonight

3 years of battlenet development defeated by anon in a day and a half

because the downloadable executable that doesn't require a beta key to install can play replays by default. The most of the SC2 community is disagreeing on weather or not it's even intended to be locked.

Well for starters that guest login crack wasn't solely meant for replays, it was a stepstone for further cracking, getting the GUI unlocked will makes things in the future easier.

Secondly i rather watch replays through the guest login then just click and drag, since you will be able to se more detailed information of the replay before starting.
That makes it alot easier to pick the right replay when you have 200+ of them.

actually you can just set file assoisiation of replay with SCII exe and it works fine, and this *was* an intentional feature of the beta, which was easily downloadable legally even to those who did not have the key.

I realised this about ten minutes after making that post, and yeah, right now I think blizzard has won. the pirates wont crack it in time and all the pirates watching the replays are going to be intriuged into paying for the full product.

1v0ry_k1ng wrote:actually you can just set file assoisiation of replay with SCII exe and it works fine, and this *was* an intentional feature of the beta, which was easily downloadable legally even to those who did not have the key.

I realised this about ten minutes after making that post, and yeah, right now I think blizzard has won. the pirates wont crack it in time and all the pirates watching the replays are going to be intriuged into paying for the full product.

I don't think this ever was about cracking the full product, just the beta since alot equalminded was unwilling to wait untill the beta testing was over.

I would say that most of those that are in the proccess of cracking this beta had every intention of buying the full product when it would be released.

Although i must say i wouldn't judge those who would try to crack the full product aswell, since the game will be divided in three parts most likely resulting in a total of $200 -> $250.

For the record, i will buy this game on release, Blizzard deserves atleast that.

Soul wrote: and micro is whats separates the progamers from the animals.

Lolled. (sorry for troll)

==Troy== wrote:

Soul wrote: and micro is whats separates the progamers from the animals.

Lolled. (sorry for troll)

No problem, my choice of words was intentionally jestingly and easy-going =D

david kim beta replays (mostly)

KingHillBilly's Live stream (Really good player who plays SC 2 games streaming live about 5 hours a day)

day 9's daily livestream (also known as Sean Plot, brother of Nick Plot, runs at 7:05 most days. Really really in depth reviews of the game and high end demos)
(home base for the majority of SC2 media from the US, and tonnes of good stuff in the forums too)

Soul wrote:
In Starcraft a progamer could take out the equivalent of a goliath with the equivalent of a flash if he put enough skill into it.

You can do that in TA/BA easily if the goliath is auto targeting, although if it's being micro'd as well you're screwed.


So what exactly is the problem with that? I think it keeps the skill ceiling very high while lessening the need for non-stop micro on all the units on the field. (stop-shoot-stop-shoot)

Hobo Joe wrote:

Soul wrote:
In Starcraft a progamer could take out the equivalent of a goliath with the equivalent of a flash if he put enough skill into it.

You can do that in TA/BA easily if the goliath is auto targeting, although if it's being micro'd as well you're screwed.


So what exactly is the problem with that? I think it keeps the skill ceiling very high while lessening the need for non-stop micro on all the units on the field. (stop-shoot-stop-shoot)

Yes theres micro whether you can shoot while moving or not. But its stupid to say that either system would be objectively better, they just make for different games.

I dont think move-and-fire works that well anyway if you dont have the varying turnrates, acceleration rates and turret turn rates that TA has, otherwise it makes for pretty lame micro probably. And if youd implement that to SC2... Its more like TA than SC:BW then.

I like how all the people arguing here about moving while shooting don't even realize that the Siege Tank in starcraft can move and shoot at same time.

You can make any unit almost move&fire with right micro, just limited by how long the firing animation is... Siege tank is nothing special

unfortunately that kind of micro is sort of beyond anyone who even occasionally gets laid