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Re: Resource bars
Posted: 25 Aug 2009, 17:05
by momfreeek
ok yeah. vertical 'buckets' for stored resources and horizontal bars to represent flow does seem very intuitive. I'm not sure about needing four bars though.. that seems like overstating the raw information.
a variation on the top 2 bars in this idea would convey shortfall / surplus better as the income & spending are overlaid.
Alternate suggestion by sirmaverick
red on the e-bar means make more e. much simpler than comparing the length of two bars that lie end to end.
what does the nub need to know and how do you convey that information in the simplest most intuitive way.
and of course:
Argh wrote:Perhaps a better way would be a mouse-over event where the full breakdown is given, with a simpler base display?
Re: Resource bars
Posted: 25 Aug 2009, 19:05
by Licho
How about hiding various source types until you hover mouse over it..
then it displays various types + legend in tooltip.
And if you click it it will switch to state where details are displayed and back.
That way new player wont be overloaded.
But .. it means .. i have to code lua again *the horror*
Re: Resource bars
Posted: 25 Aug 2009, 19:09
by SirMaverick
Licho wrote:How about hiding various source types until you hover mouse over it..
then it displays various types + legend in tooltip.
And if you click it it will switch to state where details are displayed and back.
That way new player wont be overloaded.
I'd like it that way.
Re: Resource bars
Posted: 25 Aug 2009, 19:47
by Licho
I will do it when people supply proper textures for current one..
I would also like icons for metal and e itself instead of just using "M" and "E"
Re: Resource bars
Posted: 25 Aug 2009, 20:23
by Argh
Just a quickie.
Re: Resource bars
Posted: 25 Aug 2009, 20:27
by Licho
Ah, thx :) I meant something like i-beam icon for metal and lightning for energy to make it obvious to new players.. I used bad wording
Those icons will be used elsewhere too like in tooltips to display cost.
Re: Resource bars
Posted: 27 Aug 2009, 19:38
by Licho
This is how it looks atm. Its using non-linear scale so it does not have to rescale when e goes huge. Also clumped numbers together like traditional resbar for easier readability.
Re: Resource bars
Posted: 27 Aug 2009, 21:52
by Licho
Now i need voice messages for warnings..
need more energy
build/spend metal
need energy storage
optionaly
too much buildpower/more metal
too much energy/attack or expand (overdrive ratio too high)
So if you are bored record some wav :)
Re: Resource bars
Posted: 27 Aug 2009, 22:00
by JohannesH
When would those warnings show up, x seconds before stalling presuming income/spending stays stable?
Re: Resource bars
Posted: 27 Aug 2009, 22:03
by Licho
Code: Select all
-- energy warning icons
if (eInco < mInco and eCurr < 0.7*eStor) or (eCurr < 0.7*eStor and eInco < eExpe) then
e_icon.file = "luaui/images/resbar/atom.png"
e_icon_label.textColor = col_minus
e_icon_label:SetCaption("+E!")
elseif eInco + eCurr > eStor then
e_icon.file = "luaui/images/resbar/estore.png"
e_icon_label.textColor = col_minus
e_icon_label:SetCaption("store!")
elseif (WG.overdriveMetal > 0) then
local rat = WG.overdriveEnergy / WG.overdriveMetal
local cred = rat * 0.06666666
if cred < 0 then cred = 0 end
if cred > 1 then cred = 1 end
local cgreen = 1 - cred
e_icon_label.textColor = {cred, cgreen, 0, 1}
e_icon_label:SetCaption(string.format("%d:1",rat))
if rat > 10 then e_icon.file= "luaui/images/resbar/overdrive.png" else
e_icon.file = nil
end
else
e_icon.file = nil
e_icon_label:SetCaption("")
end
e_icon:Invalidate()
-- metal/bp warning icons
if mCurr > mStor*0.3 and mInco > mExpe then
m_icon.file = "luaui/images/resbar/work.png"
m_icon_label.textColor = col_minus
m_icon_label:SetCaption("build!")
elseif mPull / (mExpe or 0.1) > 1.5 and ePull / (eExpe or 0.1) < 1.5 then
m_icon.file = "luaui/images/resbar/mex.png"
m_icon_label.textColor = col_minus
m_icon_label:SetCaption("+M!")
else
m_icon.file = nil
m_icon_label:SetCaption("")
end
Re: Resource bars
Posted: 28 Aug 2009, 02:52
by momfreeek
- 8 (count em) bars
- mixed linear/non linear scale (on the same bar)
- multiple symbols (with no key)
Doesn't that seem a little excessive for 2 resources?
Don't get me wrong, Licho, you've done well squeezing all that info in.. but if the nubtron and camera lock widgets scares nubs off, do you really think this resource bar is suitable?
2 vertical buckets and 2 horizontal bars for net flow would probably do most people.
If you can't bring yourself to cut half of it out then I reckon its best if this 'advanced resource bar' is off by default.
Re: Resource bars
Posted: 28 Aug 2009, 10:33
by Licho
Details about verious resource types will be hidden by default. And key will be in tooltip. It already has a tooltip but just with test.
Re: Resource bars
Posted: 28 Aug 2009, 15:31
by momfreeek
but still 8 bars on by default?
Re: Resource bars
Posted: 28 Aug 2009, 18:31
by CarRepairer
momfreeek wrote:but still 8 bars on by default?
I think that you're thinking there are 8 bars but it's just two, with a breakdown. The metal bar has the sources of metal in it broken down into reclaim, mex, etc. Perhaps it should only show on mouseover?
Re: Resource bars
Posted: 28 Aug 2009, 18:50
by momfreeek
energy:
1. storage (vertical)
2. costs (points left)
3. income (points right)
4. net income (thin bar points left or right)
same for m
Re: Resource bars
Posted: 28 Aug 2009, 18:53
by JohannesH
CarRepairer wrote:momfreeek wrote:but still 8 bars on by default?
I think that you're thinking there are 8 bars but it's just two, with a breakdown. The metal bar has the sources of metal in it broken down into reclaim, mex, etc. Perhaps it should only show on mouseover?
Nobody wants to waste time mouseovering a resourcebar
Re: Resource bars
Posted: 29 Aug 2009, 04:12
by momfreeek
Yeah, there's not much point hiding the breakdowns if they don't obscure anything or take up any more space. Toggle on/off makes more sense anyway.
Its good as it is. Just not for nubs.
Re: Resource bars
Posted: 29 Aug 2009, 04:56
by Licho
yeah i will rpobably hide all this part under some "details" button.
Extra bars = extra confusion even without types of income etc .. i agree..
Re: Resource bars
Posted: 29 Aug 2009, 09:36
by momfreeek
I know its hard to remove stuff once you've put all that effort into it :/
Re: Resource bars
Posted: 29 Aug 2009, 10:11
by smokingwreckage
I think the size of the bar shows well enough for noobs. There's no point making a useless display to "not scare off noobs". All the additional info is presented in such a way as to not overpower the display, but you can look at it, wonder what the fans are, and find out.
Importantly, it's not in the way and won't f* you up if you click it.