Spring RTS Engine

I totally agree with shield nerf, as it was annoying beyond anything to amphib raid enemy with 20 crocs, just to find that they cant shoot at anything cause the shields deflect all their shots immediatly and without losing efficiency. Also shields could deflect an epoch firing from 3 cannons. Thats hardly sensible now is it?

Dragoon wrote:

- Arm Annihilator damage raised 5000->9000, Beamtime raised 0.3->1.5.
- Arm Annihilator hp raised 3000->5500.

Beamtime from .3 to 1.5? and 9000 dmg!!?!?!?!?! What?

The annihilator has just gone from pitifully underpowered to outrageously overpowered.


I don't see why it would do twice the damage if it fires the exact same weapon as the Penetrator and the Doomsday.

The penetrator is less expensive and the doomsday has more then one weapon ... with the upgraded beamtime the annihilator finally has the chance to destroy a few units in one shot.

The additional HLT laser the doomsday has is hardly effective against t2 assaults. Now compared to the Anni, doomsday is quite useless.

the new anni doesn't have sweepfire it seems, so no killing 9000 flashes in one shot.

Heh,did nobody notice the fact t2 plasma cannons are crazy good now?
Their dps was multiplied by almost 1.5!!better start pumping them out now...we have a new main t2 defensive structure(also you will see less of the pitbulls and vipers since their build time was increased by 25%...that's a huge nerf).
and why the HUGE reduction in chainsaw dps?reload time increased by 60%....that means a reduction of 60% in dps...was it unbelievably over powered before to get such a drastic nerf?

imbaczek wrote:the new anni doesn't have sweepfire it seems, so no killing 9000 flashes in one shot.

Aw

Gertkane wrote:The additional HLT laser the doomsday has is hardly effective against t2 assaults. Now compared to the Anni, doomsday is quite useless.

Not against t2, maybe, but you'd be suprised how many players use t1 till the end of the game.

adin_panther wrote:

Gertkane wrote:The additional HLT laser the doomsday has is hardly effective against t2 assaults. Now compared to the Anni, doomsday is quite useless.

Not against t2, maybe, but you'd be suprised how many players use t1 till the end of the game.

True, but against T1 you can just build 5 vipers which sort the trouble much better or 2 gollies and which will make sure that nothing T1 will get through.

While that is true, an Annihilator would die much quicker against t1, then a doomsday.

Gota wrote:was it unbelievably over powered before to get such a drastic nerf?

Yes.

well from its 6.6 stats in moddb its gonna go back to being fail now.

Gota wrote:and why the HUGE reduction in chainsaw dps?reload time increased by 60%....that means a reduction of 60% in dps...was it unbelievably over powered before to get such a drastic nerf?

• Reload time increased 60%
• Reload time is 1.60 times as much
• The unit fires 1 / 1.60 = .625 times as many shots
• The unit does .625 times as much damage
• The unit does 1 - .625 = .375 times less of its original damage
  (hey look, .375 is also how many meters in an elmo)
• The unit does .375 * 100% = 37.5% less of its original damage
• The unit has been nerfed 37.5%

Give anni back sweeping attack, it should be the sweeping BLADE OF DOOM

lurker wrote:

Gota wrote:and why the HUGE reduction in chainsaw dps?reload time increased by 60%....that means a reduction of 60% in dps...was it unbelievably over powered before to get such a drastic nerf?

• Reload time increased 60%
• Reload time is 1.60 times as much
• The unit fires 1 / 1.60 = .625 times as many shots
• The unit does .625 times as much damage
• The unit does 1 - .625 = .375 times less of its original damage
  (hey look, .375 is also how many meters in an elmo)
• The unit does .375 * 100% = 37.5% less of its original damage
• The unit has been nerfed 37.5%

yeah your right that was hasty of me but even with only 40% nerf for such a high energy and build time and metal ratios it will still be bad.
missile towers will be much better.
A good thing for BA t1 air play would be to make missile towers less effecient since t1 air is really very weak.
For t2 its the other way around..a static AA buff is needed.
The micro costs of playing late game ground and late game air are uncomparable plus the sucky static AA makes so many games end with just bomber spams..

To those bawing about the 9000 Anni-damage:
As BA still seems to use the default intensity setting Spring delivers, it will deal just 4500 at max range anyway and 9000 only if you put your units next to it...

imbaczek wrote:it's wrong when one building can counter several more expensive ones, don't you think?

So... the antinuke should cost as much as a few nuke silos?

Antinuke shouldn't be able to handle more than a couple simultaneous nuke strikes. Which I don't believe it can.

lurker wrote:

Gota wrote:and why the HUGE reduction in chainsaw dps?reload time increased by 60%....that means a reduction of 60% in dps...was it unbelievably over powered before to get such a drastic nerf?

• Reload time increased 60%
• Reload time is 1.60 times as much
• The unit fires 1 / 1.60 = .625 times as many shots
• The unit does .625 times as much damage
• The unit does 1 - .625 = .375 times less of its original damage
  (hey look, .375 is also how many meters in an elmo)
• The unit does .375 * 100% = 37.5% less of its original damage
• The unit has been nerfed 37.5%

Also this is not the same as reducing its damage by 37.5% either, cause it still does 100% of its damage on the first round (ie when planes fly in) it just does less constant damage which is what flak is for...

I like the t1 and t2 kbots being amphibs and being built in the amphib lab. T2 aa kbots are raep v air, so its nice that amphibs got some heavy hitters.

If you aren't stalling, how many antinukes will be built in the time it takes to build 1 nuke?