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I agree. One of my best friends is a catholic. He doesn├óÔé¼Ôäót follow the bible to the letter though, or else he would of stoned me to death a while a go

Its literally impossible to follow the bible in today's society, but that's why at the beginning it says "This book need's to be interpreted"

Obviously. today people aren't killed for being homosexual - except by wackos. But I think that the bible is fairly clear when it says that homosexuals, according to God, were a detestable thing. They were commonly put to death in the ancient Hebrew lands.

Not so long ago 2 gay men where hanged in Iran publicly for homosexuality. And I think it'd happened in the past but being gay was just a coincidence in that particular happening.

Zoombie wrote: Its literally impossible to follow the bible in today's society, but that's why at the beginning it says "This book need's to be interpreted"

Really? I thought it said "DON'T PANIC".

I thought the bible said the world was going to end and the dead would rise from their graves and we'd all come together and be judged.... Somehow I find this most amusing.

Thats just in one of the chapters where they like prophesising doom. And, from what i remember about the passage, that is taken slightly out of context. It is said that at the end of time, everyone in the whole of time will go to wherever to be judged. thats where you get the 'dead will rise and walk the earth' bit. But some of the chapters and stuff can be pretty funny at times.

Some parts of the old testament are just jewish family trees anyways.

The bibles just hypocritical and cant be taken seriously at all, and the fact so many people do, word for word is astounding. a recent poll says 56% of americans think its a scientific fact the world was made in 7 days.

@Maelstrom: I'm just dismissive and contemptual of 99% of it... the hypocricy, the ignorance, the blind unquestioning faith in what they're taught when they can go across the street and get taught something completely different about the same god. I hate the corruption, I hate the religions supporting political movements although their supposed role model (Jesus) ran from the possibility of becoming a king. I hate how priests say that God favors America (this was immediately after 9/11). In every country, you'll find priests saying that God favors their country. I hate churches bribing their patrons with pancake luncheons just to get them through the door so they can take their tithe. I hate the fact that religions are some of the richest "organizations" in the world. I hate the christian children's fund, which spends more on advertising than they send to the kids in Africa. I hate priests telling their patrons that if they don't give enough money, their loved ones will stay in purgatory or go to hell. I hate how they simply respond to any deep, serious questions with the catch-all "it's a mystery". I hate the willful ignorance.

Gay men hanged for homosexuality? To be honest, I don't even care. When the thought enters my mind of what man-on-man action must look like, I really don't care much for their existence... but that's just me. You think about a guy humping another guy and see if you still want to shake their hand.

I hate the ignorance.

Nothing is entirely sexual as you put it. What you have said is hypocritical, offending, predjudiced and insulting. Maybe for once they might have feelings? I wouldnt expect you to know about that. Still I'm sure your take lesbians is very different....

And yes, organised religion in this world is hopelesly corrupt the higher up you go within its structure. People follow religions blindlessly, you shouldnt believe what a book says because it says so, that isnt having a belief, thats being given a belief that isnt your own, and that is a very dangerous tool, especially when so many dont actually understand what theyr ead, or even read. A lot of christians in the modern world dont even know what purgatory is.

good, very good!

? what's good valar2006?

You havent read the silmarrillion by any chance have you?

Caydr wrote:... People without faith have nothing to look forward to in their future. ...

I'm sorry dude (no, actually i'm not) but that's tremendously stupid!
I assume that «faith» in this context means faith on god. I have none. So, you're saying i have nothing to look forward into the future!? Like you would know better than myself.

People like you, that fail to see any sense in life but the one told to you by what some religion says (suposedly there is only one god in most today religions. You ain't even sure that the religion you're folowing is the right one. You can't even be sure that the Bible is truly the work of a god or of just people), is a very sad thing.

Caydr wrote:...
Gay men hanged for homosexuality? To be honest, I don't even care. When the thought enters my mind of what man-on-man action must look like, I really don't care much for their existence... but that's just me. You think about a guy humping another guy and see if you still want to shake their hand.
...

It's good to know, since i once had respect for you. Luckily, things can change.
I'd rather one thousand times shake the hand of a gay man than shake the hand of someone like you.

Caydr wrote:...
I hate the ignorance.

You must have a rather miserable life, hating yourself...

I look forward to my birthdays, I wholeheartedly have faith in its re-occurrence if I live for another year.

People with faith see themselves with a possibility of some kind of afterlife. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with this, I'm just saying that without some kind of faith in some kind of religion, life - to many, perhaps not you - life can seem bleak.

That's what I meant when I said people without faith have nothing to look forward to. I meant it in a broader sense than your next birthday or gettng married or having children. I'm sure you have many things to look forward to, I'm sorry, I honestly meant no disrespect.

I do not like homosexuals' sexual activity. I don't see that changing any time in the future. I really just find it disgusting. I don't mean to force my feelings on you, I'm merely stating my opinion. It's not like I'd be violent towards them, and I was being horrible saying that I don't care about their lives. If I was in a position to save the life of a homosexual, I'd save it just as quickly as I'd save a hetero. But I am sickened, made physically ill, by the thought of a man having sex with another man. I'm sorry if that offends you.

@alantai: Yeah, they have feelings, they are no doubt insulted by what I said, and that was my intention at the time. It was ignorant and stupid of me to say, and I wish I could completely erase those words from existence.

My feelings on homosexuality are I just FEEL. Much like homosexuals just FEEL gay. It wasn't taught to me, it wasn't brought on my my experiences, I can't help it. Anal "sex" seems, to me, something that is horrifying. I have the feeling that a rectum is not something to be used as a toy. My feeling of disgust at the activity of anal sex is no different from a homosexual's feeling of being attracted to men.

My feelings on homosexuality are something I just FEEL. Much like homosexuals say they just FEEL gay. When the word homosexual comes up in conversation, I feel I am going to throw up. I can't help it. A rectum is not a toy, thank you very much. Saying that their "feeling" of homosexuality is any different than my "feeling" that homosexuality is putrid is incorrect.

There's no problem with you not liking 2 men having sexual contact, it's when you expand ont hat that it becomes a problem. And soem homosexuals dont feel gay, they dont see any difference at all, or at least they dotn feel different, it's just normal. Besides there are other things that can be done that dont require a rectum.....

Eitherway, we all die, and though a lot of us may not believe in a religion with a holy book a one true god and a pantheon of saints, that doesnt stop us forming our own opinions, beliefs, philosophies. It's when those beliefs become detrimental, such as sacrifice, hatred, or even such instances as the pope telling people not to use condoms saying they wont protect you against aids because there are tiny little holes in them and other such lies just to support the bible.......

As for nuclear war, I bid you farewell on a long damp and dingy road that leads nowhere while the rest of the world moves on. This is a capitalist world that revolves around money, and I fear you know not of how nuclear weapons are controlled. The only exception to this is N.Korea, which has neither the technology nor the number of nuclear weapons to start a world war.

Its okay to feel that homosexuality is wrong. Its because, evolutionarily speaking, IT IS! We have a desire to breed and have children. There is no point in denying that. So, for once, relligiosity and evlutionisosity are agreeing on something!

I for one, try not to pay attention to the lesser, unnecessary trait that say├óÔé¼Ôäós ├óÔé¼┼ôgay people are bad├óÔé¼┬Ø and instead say the old proverb to each his own! Its not like homosexuality is infections disease

EDIT: Also, i really dont know what happens when we die but my Bio teacher in high school said something i will alway's remember. "death is like going to sleep, haveing no dreams and neverwakeing up"... then the class got really quiet and we whatched a movie about ebola

Evolution cannot be used like that. Evolution can only be applied in one particular fork of evolution, aka sex.

But eitherway, we're in an age where we've transcended evolution if we wish to. We can change our genetics at will given the technology we have. Morally and ethically there is no reason to object to homosexuality, the only reasons there are are predjudice, fear and lack of knowledge. And only the latter two are acceptable.

Eitherway you cant label them all bad, I think a recent figure was 1/10 people are gay. And you shouldnt think of it so rigidly, we're all bisexual, just to different levels with only likes women at one end and only likes men at the other, of which very very few of us are situated (though most of us deny it and say we are).

I agree

Alantai Firestar wrote: As for nuclear war, I bid you farewell on a long damp and dingy road that leads nowhere while the rest of the world moves on. This is a capitalist world that revolves around money, and I fear you know not of how nuclear weapons are controlled. To fire a nuclear weapon you need the full unanimous agreement fo all UN member states, only then will the UN hand over access codes to fire the requested nubmer of missiles at the requested target. The onyl exception to this is N.Korea, which has neither the technology nor the number of nuclear weapons to start a world war.

The UN? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You can't seriously be that ignorant?

I know what purgitory is! Horra, im going to have a cookie. But more relevently i have to say something.

This entire Faith V Whatever the other side is called argument is entirely pointless! There is NO sutch thing as not haveing faith. Its what you have faith in that differs! Even cynics and pessimists (both archtype's i would generaly discourage... to depressing) have faith that humanity will fail in a preticurlarly disasterous and possible catastrophic way. I have faith that we will eventualy get somethign right. We got the plow, the computer and books and space travel and other importent stuff. Life is getting better for some, and getting worse for others, and is the duty for the people who where luckyer or harder working to help the missfortunant. The people who are slacks offs though, they should be shot on sight

Cyder said: I do not like homosexuals. I don't see that changing any time in the future. They disgust me in a way nothing else does. I'm not forcing my feelings on you, I'm merely stating my opinion. Your posturing that I'm any worse than them is no different than my saying they're any worse than me. In the end, it's irrelevant. It's not like I'd be violent towards them, and perhaps I was being a little hasty saying that I don't care about their lives. If I was in a position to save the life of a homosexual, I'd save it just as quickly as I'd save a hetero. But I am sickened, made physically ill, by the thought of a man with another man. I'm sorry if that offends you.

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I do not like homosexuals. I don't see that changing any time in the future. They disgust me in a way nothing else does. I'm not forcing my feelings on you, I'm merely stating my opinion. Your posturing that I'm any worse than them is no different than my saying they're any worse than me. In the end, it's irrelevant. It's not like I'd be violent towards them, and perhaps I was being a little hasty saying that I don't care about their lives. If I was in a position to save the life of a homosexual, I'd save it just as quickly as I'd save a hetero. But I am sickened, made physically ill, by the thought of a man with another man. I'm sorry if that offends you.

I happen to know some homosexuals! I find that attitued very offencive, middle age (i mean 1300 ad not... 35-45) and, to put it bluntly, mean. Are you that bound up in preconceptions of homosexuality that you are that revulted by them! I find that not only bizzare, but revulting as well!

PS: Lesbians are hot

PPS: Only Jokeing

PPPS:No im not

The UN? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You can't seriously be that ignorant?

Yes the UK or america or russia or china attempted to fire there nuclear arsenals, they'd still have the problem of mutually assured annihilation. The nuclear powers off this world understand the implications of nuclear war and the threat of extinction it poses. Any war is likely to use conventional weaponry, nuclear weaponry would be the ultimate last resort. Besides war on that scale is too expensive to be considered nowadays.