Spring RTS Engine

SwiftSpear wrote:I'm the only good player in spring that doesn't smurf, and I'm really not all that good. Rank is worth poop.

Hey, I don't smurf.

The incentive to use the same account to raise rank is somewhat useless because star rank is easily achieved after which theres nothing to work for.

Ironically its those who manage to reach star rank who're most likely to work for extra ranks, and where its most needed. Its not right when you have 50k minutes in game time and your ranks the same as someone with 5k minutes.

AF wrote:The incentive to use the same account to raise rank is somewhat useless because star rank is easily achieved after which theres nothing to work for.

Ironically its those who manage to reach star rank who're most likely to work for extra ranks, and where its most needed. Its not right when you have 50k minutes in game time and your ranks the same as someone with 5k minutes.

yea its almost like they need more ranks or something

Only a complete idiot would want to artificially increase his rank. With your skill level given, your e-peen is a lot larger if your rank is low.

Actually most users worked for ranks initially but as most users have now reached star rank its become much less important to the user base over the last year by a huge amount.

neddiedrow wrote:

SwiftSpear wrote:I'm the only good player in spring that doesn't smurf, and I'm really not all that good. Rank is worth poop.

Hey, I don't smurf.

There are lot of true players who never smurf ... im sure of that ... and i am one of these !!!

Im a pro, and i only smurf. I have only one account, and thats my smurf account.

TradeMark wrote:Im a pro, and i only smurf. I have only one account, and thats my smurf account.

Blue and... lays eggs, but has facial hair?

I decided to bump this to say that Satirik's lobby client is amazing. He's already added almost all the amazing features in the autohost! It has a banlist, team/color fixing, it'll make boxes, balance teams, ring people, and more. It can also search UF for files and filter the battles currently open. Why doesn't this guy have SVN access to start working on the "real" lobby already?

http://spring.unknown-files.net/file/31 ... y_Satirik/

el_matarife wrote:I decided to bump this to say that Satirik's lobby client is amazing. He's already added almost all the amazing features in the autohost! It has a banlist, team/color fixing, it'll make boxes, balance teams, ring people, and more. It can also search UF for files and filter the battles currently open. Why doesn't this guy have SVN access to start working on the "real" lobby already?

http://spring.unknown-files.net/file/31 ... y_Satirik/

+1!!

Maybe ranks could be based off of the ladder. This would give people incentive to use the ladder and it would also be more accurate.

det wrote:Maybe ranks could be based off of the ladder. This would give people incentive to use the ladder and it would also be more accurate.

I disagree. It would accelerate the trend toward elitism and promote point-whoring through the ladder.

Ladder ranking would penalise people who play mods other than BA

Top players in BA are the top players of any mod lets be honest :)

challenge accepted

While the XTA Pros where learning the finer points of XTA, the AA Pros where relearning the latest releases from caydr every 3 or 4 weeks. This gave the best XTA players a years head start over the AA Pros.

Considering the AA pros then had to move to BA and learn the small differences and tactics for BA, I'd say the XTA Pros are far superior, simply because of the huge headstart.


E.G.

2 Groups of Jugglers. The Red ball jugglers and the blue ball jugglers.

For a year and a half they practice.

For the first year the shape size and consistency of the blue balls change wildly and randomly.

Who do you think has the superior ability to juggle the balls now? The red ball jugglers with the 1.5 years practice? Or the blue ball jugglers who've only had 6 months practising with a ball that doesnt transform its shape while in the air?

However, the blue ball jugglers went to a much bigger juggling school, and thus encountered more competition. While that competition may have largely taken place in specific environments (often a flat lunar plain, or an enormous mountainous "divide"), the greater numbers may have led to a higher quality of competition.

A few BA veterans have kicked my ass 1v1 (especially on comet) with extremely rapid expansion, but the longer an XTA game lasts, the more things like 300 e cost mohos, and the dominance of t2 start to disrupt their game. Tbh the majority of the good spring players were star rank long before I started playing spring, and I seem to be one of the XTA old timers these days; if we lined up the best of XTA vs WarC/PRO or whoever, I'm pretty sure which way it would go

My point is, beyond the fact that skill based ranking sucks (should be MTR) the concentration of good players in one mod does not undermine the skills of the players of other mods, and to base a rank system off of one mod alone would be pretty pointless imo.

Keep comparing juggling to playing spring AF its not like it makes you look like a total fool or anything..
My point was that BA is the only mod with a decent number of 1v1ers and so even if you wanted to get good at another mod there is noone to pratice against. Also there isnt really a mod that different from BA when it comes down to winning 1v1 :)

XTA 1v1 is extremely different to BA, provided you dont play on a big flat map with loads of resources.

Just because you are not part of a group of people who 1v1 pretty often in a certain mod, does not mean it does not exist.

Tim-the-maniac wrote:Top players in BA are the top players of any mod lets be honest :)

Alright, let's have the ladder be on the SimBase mod then.