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Not as of 1.46. The Bulldog has 4900 HP, the Demolisher 3950. The Bulldog gets 172 DPS at 475 range, the Demolisher 216 at 545. The Demolisher costs a fair bit more. Oh, and the Bulldog's faster to boot. (1.67 VS 1.06)BigSteve wrote:it packs a fair pucnh with decent armour
Indeed, exploiters do over 2k DPS if im not mistaken, thats 13 big berthas, almost a krogoth or 4 annihilators. Regardless of being weak vs artillery, it is more cost effective than pretty much all lvl2 defenses in terms of damage.MR.D wrote:The lvl1 Exploiter isn't really much of a problem, its reasonably easy to take down, it gives less metal than a normal mex and costs alot to build.
My bitch is with the LVL2 Moho-Exploiter, the firepower is fair concidering the cost involved in making one vs the metal income, but it is way over armored for what it needs to be.
Knocking the hell outta Lvl1 units doesn't bother me that much, as a lvl2 defence it is as effective as other units of its cost if not more, but once you start striking it with lvl2 units such as Bulldog and it can destroy up to 4 incoming Heavy tanks even if its mixed with some light units to get ur heavy units in range.
For me that seems silly to be able to stop a full scale assault with a moho mine that has so much survivability..
I know that artillery units are quite capable of handling this role, although its not my preference to use it as often as I should.
I'm stuck in a dilemma with the unit, I love this moho exploiter because if I build one, I rarely ever need to put more than that for an awesome defence, and at the same time even when I use them it seems overpowered because it out performs defence units that cost alot more to do the same thing.
If it was able to turn at the same rate regardless of ground metal, I would never build anything except moho exploiters as my main ground defensive line.
dps is damage-per-second. Damage/rate of fire, so that one can compare how much damage an EMG does compared to a beamlaser.BigSteve wrote:BigSteve wrote:
it packs a fair pucnh with decent armour
Ewagaen...
Not as of 1.46. The Bulldog has 4900 HP, the Demolisher 3950. The Bulldog gets 172 DPS at 475 range, the Demolisher 216 at 545. The Demolisher costs a fair bit more. Oh, and the Bulldog's faster to boot. (1.67 VS 1.06)
You'd have to be insane to build Demolishers right now. The Bulldog does almost everything better, and for the rare thing it doesn't do better, you've got Penetrators or Lugers.
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By fair, I mean fair, not good, bulldog has good armour and good firepower.
Demolisher packs a fair punch and has deceent (not good) armour.
And as Id already mentioned is very slow and expensive.
dont units have an armour rating? is the demolishers higher than the bully?
Or is that the dps thing youre on about?
Only if you're playing against an idiot who happens never to hit f4. No, the L1 Exploiters and the Twilights are both risky tosses of the die, and I see no true disparity between them.Machiosabre wrote:exploiters are easier to see?, an exploiter on a frontline or especially alone somewhere would have a high risk of dying, a twilight would never be targeted.
Aun wrote:If gollies become too slow they'll be practically worthless; it won't have time to get in range of anything... It's already extremely slow when turning or moving through rough terrain. Slightly less speed, higher cost, but higher armour and dps would could, just without extreme changes.
But we already have the Sumo =P And besides, Sumos turn and climb well....Soulless1 wrote:Aun wrote:If gollies become too slow they'll be practically worthless; it won't have time to get in range of anything... It's already extremely slow when turning or moving through rough terrain. Slightly less speed, higher cost, but higher armour and dps would could, just without extreme changes.
I suppose they could be made into the vehicle equivalent of the sumo...
Except the rate of fire is crud, so you can't deal with swarms. And I don't think it's accurate enough to manage that.bamb wrote:Ok, I'm a newb but one advantage of the demolisher compared to bulldog is instant shots meaning you can hit fast-moving enemies.
It'd be nice if it could be given a well-defined role. I like the design too, and the Arm tanks are kind of "blah" compared to their KBots. The rapid-fire anti-spam solution might work. Another option might be to make it a bigger, tougher Panther. Sort of a great close-assault unit in the same way that the Goliath is a great bombardment-assault unit?Caydr wrote:Demolisher: to be honest, I just liked its design. It's an old-timer in AA, it's been with the mod since something like version 3 for OTA (it's now version 6). With the recent changes to bulldog et al, it hasn't got a well-defined role and can be removed without damaging anything.
If the reaper is on par with the bulldog.. wont the reaper take that place the goliath is in more or less, so you will use reapers to mix up with other armies and golies for base assaultsi play both sides and exploter is not that uber. Normal exploter is handy to defend flanks, but moho is very expensive. Maybe only worth to build on choke point, not on all peremiter. But tremor or merl OWNZ exploter so no big deal.
And its allways smarter to invest in mobile units than static defense.
So both exploiters are fine imo. But demolisher and reaper are crap atm.
And plz DONT make goli some uber slow snail, it has to keep pace with other army (like banisher, tremor etc) Or i will just be useless.
QFEDrone_Fragger wrote:Make it a rapidfire lightning unit, Designed to eat hordes of the weaker level 2 units.
And caydr, 2 things, Whens GEM gonna need beta testers, And do you condone the use of speedmetal?