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Re: REAL BACKSTORY
Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 16:43
by FizWizz
smoth wrote:
gd commander
Cell shading is already implemented in Spring?!?!

(what's the face count on that, btw?)
Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 18:07
by Neuralize
I'd yiff that.

Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 18:55
by Zenka
good luck scripting her

Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 20:47
by AF
hmm, GZ you forgot that uac/uav arent the onyl drone possible, (and that they're in use today for those who dispute the idea of automated aircraft by 2100, there're already unmanned drones that can drop bombs and they where used heavily by Israel against Syria and in the every American war in the last 10 years).
About aircraft capable of going into space I point disbelievers at the winner of the X prize competition and the commercial enterprises such as Virgin Galactic, as well as several NASA X planes from the early nineties that can all make sub orbital heights.
About FTL technology by 2100, there are a numerous theories that say FTL travel is possible, there's another new theory of quantum mechanics that says that with the correctly configured magnetic field of a high enough power, you can collapse the space vacuum and drop down to another with a higher electromagnetic permeability, thus getting more movement for force, and less relativistic temporal effects for less energy. That particular theory is gaining ground and was splashed across the UK newspapers in the last few months as travel to mars in 30 hours and Proxima centauri in 40 days, as well as scientists at the Z machine saying that their machine is capable of generating the required fields (but they'd need to get it into space and re-engineer it for that purpose)).
About rail guns, EMP, and antimissile laser defences, the US government has prototypes of these already, some you can see on discovery channel, the EMP one for example you can build using a set of disposable cameras, the rail gun you can find schematics for homemade versions as well as demonstration videos.
About mechs and so on, Americas more likely to make smaller tanks that are remotely controlled, such as the ones recently tested in Iraq. Did you not see the thread in off topic labelled FIDO? It showed an American research project of a 4 legged robot that they intended to develop for the military.
Other developments include things such as the phazor, which is being developed for the US government as a means of riot control among other things (not phasors, think of energy beam based Tasers).
Just my few thoughts....
Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 22:44
by TheRegisteredOne
A more realistic time frame would be in the 2100's, we will more than likely acheive FTL (fast than light) travel, we will still use some common military vehicle configurations but they will be mainly comprised of hover/anti-gravity technology, this would be a superior alternative to giant robots and most countries will probably adapt this principle.
anti-grav? okay... But FTL? last time I checked, FTL violates causality and is impossible in this universe except for 1 in kazillion chance that all of the particles in your spaceship undergoes quantum tunnelling. I seriously doubt the technology required for FTL can be achieved in the next thousand years or ever let alone 100 years.
Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 23:36
by Pathfinder
TheRegisteredOne wrote:A more realistic time frame would be in the 2100's, we will more than likely acheive FTL (fast than light) travel, we will still use some common military vehicle configurations but they will be mainly comprised of hover/anti-gravity technology, this would be a superior alternative to giant robots and most countries will probably adapt this principle.
anti-grav? okay... But FTL? last time I checked, FTL violates causality and is impossible in this universe except for 1 in kazillion chance that all of the particles in your spaceship undergoes quantum tunnelling. I seriously doubt the technology required for FTL can be achieved in the next thousand years or ever let alone 100 years.
Really who cares if something is possible or not. This is a game. Things dont have to apply to the real world. Fang just created the story so that the player understands how the sides came to be. It is a game that is meant to be played and enjoyed, not argued over whether X thing is possible.
Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 23:37
by Fanger
LOOK.. thats great, however in my alternate reality.. people are stupider.. physics is not as well thought out, and there is alien wreckage on the moon.. thus nullifying everything stated here.. no offence...
Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 02:37
by Zoombie
I like Fangers eplination of all plot holes and spelling errors!
Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 05:06
by Neddie
Zoombie wrote:I like Fangers eplination of all plot holes and spelling errors!
It's ballsy and worth props!
Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 07:12
by GrOuNd_ZeRo
I'm sorry I offended people but I simply wanted to help out with a more believable future fiction, I don't like movies and games that are not even remotely plausible.
Halo: They make us believe that in 200-300 years we are still using cased ammunition while they have FTL spacecraft?
SupCom and/or TA: Aparently tanks were never invented that didn't need tracks, aircraft are still fairly conventional, I have little to really complain since Chris Taylor did such a good job on the physics part in the glossary and 3000 years of war is enough for technology to be stalled quite a bit I guess.
I could probably name some other works of fiction that are either over-confident on our future or under-confident (which is often the majority), but I shall refrain.
You can personally decide on what your fiction will be, I did not mean to sound deconstructive since I only tried to give some constructive criticism and some suggestions on the timeline, I will still try your mod and probably like it.
I did not appriciate the immediate flames though.

Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 09:25
by Das Bruce
Thing is you're still pulling speculation out your ass, build me a working alternative and then I'll believe you.
Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 10:34
by jcnossen
AF: any links on the FTL stuff? always a fun read...
Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 11:41
by mecha
Ground_zero some links on real world mech development would be cool too
Cheers
Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 15:30
by Fanger
Ok maybe I didnt make it clear enough.. the tech lvl demostrated in E&E is not that of earth before the global war, its earth after that war.. This was a massive war.. a nuclear holocaust..etc... most of civilization and government was completely destroyed.. URC and GD are using the tech they have because that was what they were able to salvage as they rebuilt the rest of the more advanced stuff is no longer known or available it was lost to the war. NI uses what it does because it is not really a military set up so their experience with combat is very limited thus there tech in that department is not uber...
Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 17:34
by krogothe
You guys are arguiing about what year FLT would be realistically discovered in when you see armies fighting in a floating square we call map, building things in seconds out of green mist and unlimited resources coming out of the ground. So thats realistic and the backstory is not?
Get a grip and concentrate on testing the mod so it plays well, i couldnt care less if the URC technology was given to cavemen by a huge divine carebear, and that the sides are fighting over a mouldy cookie buried in the center of the earth 20k years in the past.
Plus it sucks to have balance issues posted then drowned out because someones whining about FLT travel being discovered a few centuries late. Let fang make his story, accept it and go argue theoretical physics and the computational power in 50 years in the off-topic forum, pretty please???
Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 17:36
by Comp1337
Zaphod wrote:AF: any links on the FTL stuff? always a fun read...
Ill forward that.
And also, release the pub beta already!!
Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 17:40
by Forboding Angel
quite soon
Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 18:21
by Fanger
EXPECT RELEASE ON SATURDAY.... the version Number will be .15 and it will contain all of URC, and GD.... prepare for extermination...
Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 20:51
by AF
Actually the theory I described doesnt violate causality, just read it, light is electromagnetic radiation, i said that by collapsing the cell vacuum you drop into another one where the permeability of space to electromagnetic radiation is higher, thus the speed of light in that vacuum increases, causality is nto broken and you arent travelling faster than the spee dof light in that vacuum.
However you can travel fastre in that vacuum than the speed of light travels in this vacuum because of the change in permeability, as a result of this change much mroe speed is required to get the same causal effect as in this vacuum, causality is still there, you still experience temporal effects but the scale is much smaller, and the maximum speed much higher.
Zaphod I'll get you the pdf I downlaoded, it's on my schools network atm though. Just google for mars in 30 days on google news UK.
As for war stalling technology, on the contrary, look at WW2, that actually advanced technology a great amount, we could be in a pre-internet tech age at the moment if it wasnt for WW2.
Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 21:18
by Fanger
GAh I didnt say war stalles technology... I said world wide collapse of government and mass destruction of society stalls technology... and lets just forget I even posted a backstory.. just sit back and salivate till saturday when I release my mod thingy and you can all get your grubby little paws on it...