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He's a guy who refuses to back up his controversial assertions with anything other than "Chris Taylor is always right", despite plenty of people trying to provide resonable answers. Sleksa is a dick but Wingflier isn't much better.

Thread derailed.

Give me a simple sentence why anyone should want to play Balanced Annihilation. Or else, the thread should just be locked.

rcdraco wrote:Thread derailed.

Give me a simple sentence why anyone should want to play Balanced Annihilation. Or else, the thread should just be locked.

Great fun, many players, Been around, HAS MANY UNITS, very fun gameplay. never gets old when playing with new people. TONS Of diffrent ways to stragitize.

hard and rough truth >> smooth as silk bullshit

Public Enemy wrote:

rcdraco wrote:Thread derailed.

Give me a simple sentence why anyone should want to play Balanced Annihilation. Or else, the thread should just be locked.

Great fun, many players, Been around, HAS MANY UNITS, very fun gameplay. never gets old when playing with new people. TONS Of diffrent ways to stragitize.

Did you just do that to keep the thread open or are you do you have really bad mod taste?

My opinion, balanced annihilation was balanced a long time ago and now it's a shambles. 4.7 in my opinion was the best actual BA, overall best TA mod is and always will be unless someone miraculasly improves it somehow is AA 2.23

People only play BA cause of it's high release count eg "OMG IT'S A LATEST FILE OF THAT MOD AND IT'S BEEN WORKED ON FOR LOADZ OF TIME" Essentially the higher the Version including decimal point numbers the better chance of it being played. They're generally hoping it will be better but then it's not and they only keep playing cause no-one will jump to another mod cause he/she fears that no-one else will join them. :]

rcdraco wrote:Thread derailed.

Give me a simple sentence why anyone should want to play Balanced Annihilation. Or else, the thread should just be locked.

give me a simple sentence why anyone should need to see your bullshit anymore in this thread or else you should just stop vomiting in this thread.

same goes to you complicated, advertising your mod is ok by me but advertising it by saying "lol noize iz noob 'n ba is shit. pls play my mod" is wrong

Sleksa wrote:

rcdraco wrote:Thread derailed.

Give me a simple sentence why anyone should want to play Balanced Annihilation. Or else, the thread should just be locked.

give me a simple sentence why anyone should need to see your bullshit anymore in this thread or else you should just stop vomiting in this thread.

same goes to you complicated, advertising your mod is ok by me but advertising it by saying "lol noize iz noob 'n ba is shit. pls play my mod" is wrong

nah this is the fact:

Is this a true fact that BA is the most played mod because of it's high version in that people believe that it has "Improvements" where they fail to realise the newer versions doesn't nessessary mean BETTER. They get mixed up with "The Latest" and "Improvement" ???

then why do all the best players play BA

Day wrote:then why do all the best players play BA

Cause "The best players" are NOiZE 's chums and don't want to hurt his feelings by not playing his mod. OR

NOiZE knows dark secrets about those guys and blackmails them into playing his mod.

and please define "The Best players"

Please stop this worthless posting. If you don't like a mod, you don't post unconstructive crap in its thread and ignore what you don't want to hear.

The best players are the people who can play well with any mod and map whatever the situation

Sigh, I'm just stating a fact, NOiZE 'HAD' a great mod..

I think you gave me reasons not to play it, can we keep this on topic please? The people who made this mod probably don't want this crap going on, just because a few idiots want to derail it.

rcdraco wrote:I think you gave me reasons not to play it, can we keep this on topic please? The people who made this mod probably don't want this crap going on, just because a few idiots want to derail it.

Correct, the BA modders probably do not want idiots to derail the thread by asking why anyone should even want to play BA...

tombom wrote:He's a guy who refuses to back up his controversial assertions with anything other than "Chris Taylor is always right", despite plenty of people trying to provide resonable answers. Sleksa is a dick but Wingflier isn't much better.

No, I didn't mean to come off that way. You're right that argument was completely stupid I'll just give it up. Basically that all spiraled off of the level 1 rez bots argument which I still don't agree with but meh, I'll deal with it.

I still think that most of the level 2 Arm Kbots need a buff. And please, stop bringing up the Sharpshooter, that's one out of like 15 units. We know, he's awesome. Stop.

tombom wrote:Sleksa has yet to bring anything usefull to any discussion, and you can just forget about him making any relevant contribution to any improvement of the actual gameplay through suggestion.

Its not his job to make anything better, he is here to "Stop you" from suggesting anything that may make the mod better, and more "Balanced".

BA is a closed mod, and they don't take suggestions from anyone less than godly, because they themselves have lived their lifes playing this game, and they know everything.

So just stop trying ^^

'Nuff said. Probably just some guy with nothing better to do than flame and try to prove people wrong. You'll notice that he doesn't make suggestions, just shoots other people's suggestions down.

Wing

this thread reminds me of bad old times when noobs from all over the earth spamed their shallow ideas and cydar listened to them.

luckily, noize/day wont.

on topic: T2 veh seem balanced now. I actually use all of units from core T2 for example.

The thing is you need some kind of quality control on balance suggestions. If you're not known as a good player and don't provide any evidence at all, the guys who make this mod will just ignore you. It sounds kind of mean but it's pretty much the only realistic way to make a balanced mod. Sleksa is just aggressive about it. There are a few other decent TA style mods that sometimes get played, like Tired Annihilation, that you might want to try if you really don't like BA.

ginekolog wrote:T2 veh seem balanced now. I actually use all of units from core T2 for example.

I'm digging Core T2 Vehicles myself, but Arm needs some work, and of course T2 Kbots is still terrible. Once Arm T2 is tweaked a little, however, Vehicles should at least be consistent. In fact, you might be able to use Vehicles T1 & T2 in concert to balance the other trees. Sadly, I've never preferred vehicles, so I'll still be voicing dissenting opinions on Kbots, Sea and Air.

The last three pages of this thread were full of lols.

ChrisT was a nub, and even admitted as such. He may have created a great game, but in the end MT were the main ground defense, arm beat core unless the core player was better skilled, flashes and missile trucks were the main ground units. Skeets were the main sea units. OTA was fun, but only a fraction of the units were worth building. In BA most of the units are.

Complicated wrote:Cause "The best players" are NOiZE 's chums and don't want to hurt his feelings by not playing his mod. OR

NOiZE knows dark secrets about those guys and blackmails them into playing his mod.

and please define "The Best players"

While noize is a friend of mine, I have no trouble telling him if I think a balance decision was bad. The best players play the mod because it is the best mod, and the best players are those who can beat u 1v1 on your choice of (normal) map. Also, it seems like BA's most vehement opponents are the players who have played a long time, and still suck, and so blame the mod instead of themselves for their lack of skills. I don't think you'll fined one of the "best players" who hates BA.

Well it would be somewhat redundant, wouldn't it? You only get the best by playing a mod a lot -- and you only play a mod a lot if you like it.

I may be good at spitting in my own eye but that doesn't make me special. The point is, BA doesn't really even deserve the name "mod" as its nothing more than glorified text changes. The only reason it and all the other TA clones are so popular is because it is based off of (or ripped off of) TA, which is and was a good, solid game, and there are no other mods which can so easily rip off of an already-completed product, do a couple of 5-minute changes, and come out with something new. The rest of us "modders" have to come up with entirely new content.

tombom wrote:The thing is you need some kind of quality control on balance suggestions. If you're not known as a good player and don't provide any evidence at all, the guys who make this mod will just ignore you. It sounds kind of mean but it's pretty much the only realistic way to make a balanced mod. Sleksa is just aggressive about it. There are a few other decent TA style mods that sometimes get played, like Tired Annihilation, that you might want to try if you really don't like BA.

No, I never said I don't like BA. If I didn't like it I would just play something else and not bother suggesting improvements here.

I hated 3.1c so much I played UberHack until it died, AA for over a year while it was still with OTA, AA when it moved to Spring, and now BA. In my opinion it's the only way to go.

I really think people took the CT argument the wrong way, I wasn't basing all of my points off it, it was really just a "sub-point", if you will, that got blown way out of proportion. CT isn't here anymore, and so truly, we can't say what he would or would not have done, but my point was simply that he never publicly changed a unit's tier.

I did think it was a little unfair of you, tombom, to post that all my arguments were pretty much just noob complaints that involved what Chris Taylor would have done, because that is A)Incorrect and B)This is the first thread I've posted in, in a long time, so it's pretty illogical to make an assumption about my character based on 3 posts.

Also, you compared me to Sleksa, which, after seeing his flame-filled responses to everyone (including mods), is a pretty insulting thing to do. So please don't do that anymore. I think I lost some self respect after that lol.

neddiedrow wrote:I'm digging Core T2 Vehicles myself, but Arm needs some work, and of course T2 Kbots is still terrible. Once Arm T2 is tweaked a little, however, Vehicles should at least be consistent. In fact, you might be able to use Vehicles T1 & T2 in concert to balance the other trees. Sadly, I've never preferred vehicles, so I'll still be voicing dissenting opinions on Kbots, Sea and Air.

You think there's a problem with Arm T2 Vehicles? Hmm, I didn't see that. I mean Bulldogs seem pretty solid for their cost and build time and Panthers, while not exceedingly great at anything, are pretty good at everything. Lugers are Lugers and Merls are Merls. But it could definitely have some looking into. As far as Arm T2 Kbots, I'm behind you all the way. It's not that they are terrible, I don't think any of us ever said that. It's just that in comparison to the Core's T2 Kbots they are somewhat lacking.

Wing

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On a side note, it is way to easy to cause a huge uproar which results in flaming and chaos in this thread. Obviously I started it after my few posts, because it was fine before I came, and almost got the thread locked. If a person who hasn't posted on the Spring site for over 2 years, and isn't even trying to cause trouble can get immature people to flame enough that mods are freaking out, that's pretty sad.