Spring RTS Engine

GSL3 is warming up. I'm really looking forward to this season. I'm considering getting the passes to watch it HD.

I got a friend who buys them & watch them at his place

who are you rooting for? I'm 100% Idra, watching his furious disgust empower him upto 9000apm when his opponents pull cheesy rushes warms my heart

pro question, what is cheese anyway ? :D

Something that fails if your opponent scouts/expects it

Wombat wrote:pro question, what is cheese anyway ? :D

The execution of a strategy that rely on the opponent not predicting it in order to give you any chance of staying in the game without being at a massive disadvantage.

So if you take all your workers at the beginning of the game and attack your opponent, unless you kill him you will lose. It's basically an all in move that if known about can easily be stopped, but requires you to do massive damage in order to offset the fact that you willingly crippled your own economy.

in other words, cheese = a premediated all-in

Cheese doesn't have to be any all-in attack, could as well be just skimping on defense while ecoing for example

Wombat wrote:pro question, what is cheese anyway ? :D

its why i wont play you 1v1 anymore

1v0ry_k1ng wrote:in other words, cheese = a premediated all-in

There's no requirement that it be premeditated. I think most cheese is a snap decision honestly. "I've gotten a slight advantage! I'm gonna cut all workers and kill him right now!"

I don't consider ecoing cheese... even trying to hide a base or something, it's unnecessarily risky, but it's not cheese.

There's no requirement that it be premeditated. I think most cheese is a snap decision honestly. "I've gotten a slight advantage! I'm gonna cut all workers and kill him right now!"

I don't think that is cheese. Cheese to me means an all-in that happens close to the start of the game before such and all-in can be scouted. Anything you do after you have an advantage isn't cheese.

Basically I agree with 1v0ry_k1ng. Cheese is a planned early rush that is countered if your opponent expects it and leaves the rusher completely screwed if it is countered.

It means that you sacrifice a lot of economy and/or security of your production buildings and/or technology to quickly produce a lot of units, to attack your opponent as soon as possible.

So basically if the cheese fails you are behind on technology, economy or your buildings are on a vulnerable spot. (or a combination of the 3)

dunno whats idras problem with cheese. it sounds... normal.

SwiftSpear wrote:

1v0ry_k1ng wrote:in other words, cheese = a premediated all-in

There's no requirement that it be premeditated. I think most cheese is a snap decision honestly. "I've gotten a slight advantage! I'm gonna cut all workers and kill him right now!"

no, thats a spur of the moment all in.

cheese is not spontanious, it is a specific build that relies upon the opponent either not scouting it or not knowing how to counter it.

Johannes wrote:Cheese doesn't have to be any all-in attack, could as well be just skimping on defense while ecoing for example

...thats just ecoing, which is more or less a neccecisty to zerg macro play (droning wherever possible.)

Wombat wrote:dunno whats idras problem with cheese. it sounds... normal.

Idra is considered the best SC2 macro zerg, which basically means the longer a game lasts, the more likely he is acheive an economic victory. Because of this most of his opponents focus on killing him early game, where zerg is considered the weakest and most reactive of the three sides.

in other words, many of his opponents cheese (premeditated all-in early attack) idra every game, and getting smushed early by these builds gives him massive rage.

Cheese is something that is a bit lame

When I lose to cheese the only thing I rage about is how stupid I was for not countering it correctly.

1v0ry_k1ng wrote:Idra is considered the best SC2 macro zerg

No.

reminds me kuros a bit lul

Hoi wrote:

1v0ry_k1ng wrote:Idra is considered the best SC2 macro zerg

No.

well, he is considered the best SC2 macro zerg by the team liquid casters inc. artosis, day9 & the majority of that community... if you have a contrary oppinion by all means share

cheese

It doesn't makes sense to call any early attack cheese, it's the secrecy/gambling that matters. For early attacks, you can call them for example "early attacks".

Cheese is a buzzword that has taken off and has become the excuse for whiny players who lose a game to an unorthodox strategy :d personally I love a bit of cheese.

Will also be buying premium HD stream for GSL 3, had it for the previous two seasons. Will be rooting for all the foreigners, and ofcourse, fruitdealer! About 8 hours to go :D:D