Spring RTS Engine

Someone get the XTA lovers out of the BA thread! You've already proved you can't be trusted with a mod of your own so stop trying to bring down the most popular mod with your actual advise! Yes, fine, XTA sucks. But please, don't be hating on other mods because nobody will fix it for you.

Fyi I'm pretty much an S44 lover these days, not to say I do not enjoy XTA.

Ik aint played XTA in months.

pintle wrote:Fyi I'm pretty much an S44 lover these days, not to say I do not enjoy XTA.

Ik aint played XTA in months.

You played with me and Sheep less than a month ago

l2read. *IK* has not played, not me.

pintle wrote:l2read. *IK* has not played, not me.

On your account? You probably shouldn't be let him be doing that. You XTA guys are shifty...

we call it: be a cox

why do I always get dragged into this

babbles wrote:why do I always get dragged into this

dunno

JohannesH wrote:Flash peewee brawler banshee are not machine gun?

EMG: Energy Machine Gun

JAZCASH wrote:

1v0ry_k1ng wrote:bump4 ak/pw mass increase + ecost/bt reduction

Shutup

or, better than that, I'll take the time to explain it to you in idiot language

Here are the running costs of making these respective units with the commander assisting the lab:

Peewee
-12.7m -252.7e

Flash
-22.2 -186.2e

you know what this means bro? it means:

1) Flash builds at 74% faster than Peewee

In a situation where you have the resources, you can produce a hell of alot more metals worth of flash than you can peewee with the same buildpower. this means with early game economy, unless the kbot player splashes out on a few early nanos or cons, wasting a few hundred metal, he cant match flash production speed.
the next problem emerges if he *could* match flash production speed:

2) Building at the same speed of -22.2m/tick the peewee costs -439.7e/tick- 236% the energy- to build!

at the same buildspeed:
-186.2e for the flash
-439.7e for the peewee

thats 20 solars + your com energy required to produce peewees without stalling.

you only need 8 solars to produce flash at that speed.

you know what this means bro? it means peewee build at half the speed yet still cost more energy. it means you *cannot* mass peewee with your entire economy the same way you can do with flash.
the assumption here would be.. what, peewee is alot more effective in combat than flash?
unfortunately it isnt. esculations means increasingly higher hitpoints are required to survive even moving into range, and its lower speed along with its low health makes it significantly less effective than its cost in flashes.
further, lower indivual HP means more losses attacking defences, more getting stuck behind wrecks, while the low mass means MASSIVE DAM from impulse.

in short: the peewee is not, by any means, as effective as its cost in flashes OR anywhere near as cheap. by these grounds it is UP. If it had the same energy cost/tick and built from the same factory as the flash, the flash would still be built alot more.

1v0ry_k1ng wrote:
you know what this means bro? it means:

1) Flash builds at 74% faster than Peewee

There's a little thing called buildtime. The lower the buildtime, the faster the unit builds. Flash has 1963 build time and Peewee has 1420 buildtime.

You know what this means bro? It means:

JAZCASH wrote:

1v0ry_k1ng wrote:
you know what this means bro? it means:

1) Flash builds at 74% faster than Peewee

There's a little thing called buildtime. The lower the buildtime, the faster the unit builds. Flash has 1963 build time and Peewee has 1420 buildtime.
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He means buildtime / cost, I think (in other words, how fast you use up resources building it).

eyu100 wrote:

JAZCASH wrote:

1v0ry_k1ng wrote:
you know what this means bro? it means:

1) Flash builds at 74% faster than Peewee

There's a little thing called buildtime. The lower the buildtime, the faster the unit builds. Flash has 1963 build time and Peewee has 1420 buildtime.
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He means buildtime / cost, I think (in other words, how fast you use up resources building it).

If you read his post he clearly, he thinks that Flash are faster to build than Peewees, which is most definately, wrong.

I bet if I went bots with Peewees and someone else went Flash, that I could build 5 Peewees and beat their 3 Flash that takes about the same time.

Overall, Peewees > Flash for build time, eco munching, manueverbility, and climbing steeper surfaces.

flash have like 3x as many hp

hunterw wrote:flash have like 3x as many hp

Actually they don't even has twice as much HP.

Flash: http://modinfo.adune.nl/?act=edit&id=17 ... &MOD=ba691

Peewee: http://modinfo.adune.nl/?act=edit&id=81 ... &MOD=ba691

They're not as different as some of you might thing

peewees own

for cost, vs gator or flash?

They pwn Gators.

PW speed 2.8, Gator speed 3. Now I didn't see range (or any weapon details) listed on ModDB, but I'm pretty damn sure laser outranges emg.

How exactly does a slower unit, with less range, own the other?

pintle wrote: How exactly does a slower unit, with less range, own the other?

Erm, Micro? Also, such small stat differences doesn't make one unit better than another. There are more variables to take into account other than range and speed.