Spring RTS Engine

sleksa's mission on the forums is to poke fun at insecure people.

No not really. Most of the posts i reply to i consider to be trolls themselves, if you look for example ba related discussions where otherside/yan barge in with their famous quotes like

"lol ba is shit u only need flash plz play my mod with tier 7 and supernuclearcommandocommanders"

in which i usually reply with my "stop vomiting shit" or "shut up and go play with your supercommanders"


In the end its all down to the point of view on which one is the troll and which one is not

BA loadscreens = the worst of BA.

Seriously, 2 juggernauts? Thats BA? That lttle square of DT's in the corner of DSD with the bombers flying over? Thats BA?

They are an excellent showcase of how not to play BA.

I dont even see them since i play on windowed mode ~,~
If you want to see new screens, Showcase some cool new shots to NOiZE

Fang complaining about Sleksa saying "i was nanoshielding on brazillian when you were sucking your mother's mammaries." is incredibly pathetic if he really takes it seriously or even worse takes it seriously ironically.

yes

Matt, the problem is that the troll is usually just as insulting to the victim as the victim's reaction is to everyone else except the impression many of us get is that the moderators let anything slide as long as it's not overt which is seriously aggravating, being insulted by someone and seeing the mods twiddling their thumbs, then insulting back and suddently having the mods react as if that was entirely unprovoked.

If get over it is the right response then get over the fact that I call you a mindless tool who's tricked by even the stupidest tricks in the book and makes an excellent toy for trolls that know how to pull your strings.

so what you guys are saying is that, while BA may be balanced.. most of the people who participate in the spring community have chemical imbalance..

Apparently imbalanced people will yield marginally balanced games..

ALso I think weve solved the root problem here.. rename the flash to something else.. and it will not be nearly as OP..

You guys realise that you're all trolling LordMatt right? That it's against the rules to be a dick about a moderator decision?

:)

Sleska wrote: Some important stuff, go read it.

You're referring to Pro_Basic/DZIHIBRISH, and Complicated though, Basic with the #main spam and attempt to take down BA.

The point is, BA can be improved, whether that will happen is yet to be seen, but for now, it is one of the few mods that anyone can play, and as long as it doesn't go on for hours, can be a very interesting mod. Though offering nothing that OTA/TAUCP didn't have, it is a complete mod, and it is the single most played mod in the lobby.

No, some of us are discussing the logical fallacy of lordmatts position.

Some of us are disputing that logical fallacy.

Then some are trying to troll but just looking random in the process and not really getting anywhere.

AF wrote:No, some of us are discussing the logical fallacy of lordmatts position.

Some of us are disputing that logical fallacy.

Then some are trying to troll but just looking random in the process and not really getting anywhere.

It's all a matter of perspective.

I'm not trying to troll.

I never said you did, yet you felt the need to deny it.

AF wrote:I never said you did, yet you felt the need to deny it.

is a perfect example of trolling

AF wrote:I never said you did, yet you felt the need to deny it.

ok whatever

And now we're about half way around the circle of misfortune.

Lordmatt, just because SOME of my posts may seem like troll bait does not justify trolling months later.

Also what precisely do you mean by troll bait? I am fairly well acquainted with trolls, troll feeding but troll bait, that isn't something I have a clear definition of.

If you label people you're always wrong.

No one fits a label, well enough to be defined by the label. No one is really a 'troll', some people have trolled in the past intentionally and unintentionally, and it seems for some that those past discretions apparently warrant indefinite chastisement. The 'victim' label is just as harmful. I've nearly never seen someone truely fit the label of 'victim' here... with the possible exception of fang who constantly seems to be sniped for no apparent reason by many many people (even me )... well, there is reasons, just he's generally undeserving anyways.

Sometimes we ban trolls, sometimes we talk down ignorant/arrogant 'victims' it depends on the context and who is out of line. All the time I see "Oh, someone critiqued my content and I didn't like way they said something so instead of clarifying or explaining I'm just going to say "fuck you!", SAVE ME MODERATOR!"

I'm sick of it. Stop being linear minded, you're not the only person who posts here. People who you disagree with and have disputes with are not universally "trolls" just because you don't like them, and vice versa, you are not a "victim" just because you say you are. Those are labels, they are always wrong, and they aren't going to be treated with any respect from moderation. We take on every event case by case evaluating it as broadly as we can and judging as fairly as we can. We won't always be right, but we'd be wrong alot more often if we started boxing people into labeled groups.

At the end of the day, keep in mind, who we ban and why is private information generally speaking, we aren't obligated to make our actions visible, so you won't always see what we are doing as moderators. Don't assume no action has taken place if you've issued a complaint. If you really care about follow up, ask, within a private context most moderators might ceed information they wouldn't be willing to post publicly. There will always be drama, there will always be conflicts between people, we're all humans here and moderation strives to treat us as such, so just because someone gets in a fight or crosses a line doesn't mean they will be removed permanently so you don't have to tolerate/interact with them later, nor does it mean that they next time around you aren't wrong and they aren't right. At the end of the day we are little more than catalysts, and for all our social engineering and attempts to guide things the way we want them, YOU are the community, and therefore the community is YOUR responsibility.

SwiftSpear wrote: At the end of the day, keep in mind, who we ban and why is private information generally speaking, we aren't obligated to make our actions visible, so you won't always see what we are doing as moderators. Don't assume no action has taken place if you've issued a complaint. If you really care about follow up, ask, within a private context most moderators might ceed information they wouldn't be willing to post publicly.

Exactly. There are some notable trolls serving bans right now, but I take flak for addressing the other half of the problem?

In other news, I finally finished my applications to medical school. :D

Was that directed at me swift or a general post?

Perhaps split all of the trolling and moderation discussion? Balance theory can be worthwhile discussion; public discussion of moderation policy rarely is.

LordMatt wrote:

smoth wrote: you as a moderator blame the victim. It is like saying a girl was asking to be raped because she wore provocative clothes.

Except that this analogy fails on an internet forum, where you entirely control how you come across, and therefore whether you are a victim of trolling or not.

Most girls, at least in advanced western countries, entirely control how they dress. So Smoth point still stands. If, while riding the subway, you see a girl raped in front of you, would you say "Well, she was asking for it by choosing to wear a mini-skirt instead of a burkha?"

zwzsg wrote:

LordMatt wrote:

smoth wrote: you as a moderator blame the victim. It is like saying a girl was asking to be raped because she wore provocative clothes.

Except that this analogy fails on an internet forum, where you entirely control how you come across, and therefore whether you are a victim of trolling or not.

Most girls, at least in advanced western countries, entirely control how they dress. So Smoth point still stands. If, while riding the subway, you see a girl raped in front of you, would you say "Well, she was asking for it by choosing to wear a mini-skirt instead of a burkha?"

Its not as if both parties are innocent, but rather both parties are to blame in this scenario, the other one flamebaits, the other one flames, and the baiter then cries that moderators did not ban the flamers like they apparently should have done.

So the moderator has 3 options

1) Ban the flamebaiter and be labeled as "berserking banhammerer"
2) Ban the flamed and be labeled as the hero of the internet for the flamebaiters
3) not giving a fuck about personal relationships on the forum and telling both parties to grow balls and a brain

Sleksa wrote:1) Ban the flamebaiter and be labeled as "berserking banhammerer"
2) Ban the flamed and be labeled as the hero of the internet for the flamebaiters
3) not giving a fuck about personal relationships on the forum and telling both parties to grow balls and a brain

4) Ban Sleksa just in case.