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I can't remeber where it was now, But someone said that vista ccould require upto 40gb on your hard drive. This is roughly half of what some people have.

They're incorrect. It requires maybe 20 GB, 40 GB is probably listed as a minimum for other reasons.

Disclaimer again ramble if anyone wants to contiune debating what i said take to PM / new topic in Off Topic Discussion.

@ ZellSF

One/ i had disclaimer i.e warnin i was gonna ramble so u could skip entire post

Two/ i commented after vassage comment

Three/ WGA is basicly windows checking that your cdkey is genuine, where is the advantage ??? But if they said here we gonna use WGA to fight piracy & then reduce our pricing (since less peep could pirate windows and keep it patched up) then that would be cool.

Four/ How am i meant to install linux & windows side by side on a pc i bought from manufactor & if windows died which happened in my case i got no cd to reinstall it. Hell at very least u should get a custom windows cd that only works with your serial ( or a sertion set of serials).

Five/ Ring up & wait on microsoft support line cause i changed my PC's hardware around ?

Six/ Ever read that EULA ? or wonder how u can buy a machine with windows installed & expect to still agree to an eula, when u can only read it after settin up your pc. Which is then to late to return it.

I also said if they reduce price i would pay. Its a joke i can build a decent machine for ├óÔÇÜ┬¼700 euro & then have to spend ├óÔÇÜ┬¼142.01 (and thats with a student discount) on a OS that has a monopoly on desktops (while manufactors have discounts).

Four/ How am i meant to install linux & windows side by side on a pc i bought from manufactor & if windows died which happened in my case i got no cd to reinstall it. Hell at very least u should get a custom windows cd that only works with your serial ( or a sertion set of serials).

c:\windows\i386\

If you don't get given a CD you still need the file on it so the setup for windows is shoved into the windows folder.

Given your hardrive is in FAT32 format you can boot from a floppy and run the installer and reinstall XP from the hardrive.

Still, 20 gigs? Thats almost 1/4 of my hard drive. Yup, Definately not insane usage of space there.

Drone_Fragger wrote:Still, 20 gigs? Thats almost 1/4 of my hard drive. Yup, Definately not insane usage of space there.

It's used for something, which someone will most likely have use for.

Sounds perfectly sane to me.


That's almost 1/35 of all my hard drives anyway. Most normal end users don't have anything to use 60 GB for in any case, and I'm pretty sure 80 GB is standard now.

most normal users have masses of music. My music colelction takes up nearly 40GB of my 80GB hardrive.

Which means 80-20+40 = 20GB for games and programs?

AF wrote:most normal users have masses of music. My music colelction takes up nearly 40GB of my 80GB hardrive.

Which means 80-20+40 = 20GB for games and programs?

Normal end users most likely doesn't have a 40 GB music collection. Lots of people might, a majority of people? that's more of a discussion. I certainly don't have 40 GB of music, and I have 650 GB to store it at :P

Even with your example there, that wouldn't be too little space, and Vista wouldn't take too much. Vista isn't released until 2007 anyway, hard drives will keep improving.

if it's like XP, gamers won't switch until maybe 2008, where the standard harddrive will be even better. I wouldn't worry too much. I would worry more if Microsoft were trying to get it to run on outdated computers today, how outdated would that make Vista quickly then?

windows is a legacy OS

XP can run on a 233Mhz 128MBsystem with all the graphics turned off to classic style and lots of services turned off and it runs quite well.

AF wrote:windows is a legacy OS

XP can run on a 233Mhz 128MBsystem with all the graphics turned off to classic style and lots of services turned off and it runs quite well.

It's also horribly outdated when compared to Linux or Mac OS X today. Clearly not the way to go.

AF wrote:Which means 80-20+40 = 20GB for games and programs?

and your a programmer! shame! 80-(20+40) = 20GB

also. my dad's music collection is only 15GB on this comp, and 25GB on my bro's comp (his has iTunes )

Ok, to points some people straight: Microsoft is recommending a lot more space than is required, it <sarcasm>only</sarcasm> eats 15gb.

Could someone please tell me what the hell any decent OS could want with 15gb of data? That is 1/8 of my harddrive. If you look at the requirements for vista they are ALMOST AS HIGH AS DOOM FRICKIN 3! Don't believe me?

Doom 3 minimum requirements:
1.5 GHz CPU or better, 384 MB RAM (512MB RAM for Mac), 64 MB video card, 2 GB drive space, 8x CD-ROM drive.

Windows Vista requirements (for Aero):
1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor, 1 GB RAM, 128 MB video card, 15 GB hard drive space, 8x CD-ROM drive.

Vista needs a better graphics card, 7.5 times more hadr drive space( wtf, I could see 2 or even 3 times as acceptable but 15gb?), and more ram than Doom 3.

A common rule for setting virtual memory for a computer si to set it at 3x the RAM size.

So there's 3gb.

XP can reach 5GB quickly

there's 9 GB

It's just the 6GB unaccounted for

Vista is bigger than the others and has a lot more stuff in it so lets add 1.5Gb to account for that.

Thats 4.5GB unaccounted for. System restore?

mehere101 wrote:Ok, to points some people straight: Microsoft is recommending a lot more space than is required, it <sarcasm>only</sarcasm> eats 15gb.

Could someone please tell me what the hell any decent OS could want with 15gb of data? That is 1/8 of my harddrive. If you look at the requirements for vista they are ALMOST AS HIGH AS DOOM FRICKIN 3! Don't believe me?

Doom 3 minimum requirements:
1.5 GHz CPU or better, 384 MB RAM (512MB RAM for Mac), 64 MB video card, 2 GB drive space, 8x CD-ROM drive.

Windows Vista requirements (for Aero):
1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor, 1 GB RAM, 128 MB video card, 15 GB hard drive space, 8x CD-ROM drive.

Vista needs a better graphics card, 7.5 times more hadr drive space( wtf, I could see 2 or even 3 times as acceptable but 15gb?), and more ram than Doom 3.

Oh no, it requires an outdated computer that will be even more outdated by the time Vista is released and yet even more outdated by the time gamers upgrade. And that is if you want to run it with most of the more demanding options enabled.

Your PC is most likely invaded by hell itself if it runs Doom 3 better than it will run Vista. Even with Aero.

15 GB isn't much now, and it won't magically seem to be more in the future, rather the opposite. Hell, 18 GBs of my iBook's 40 GB harddrive is mysteriously used for no reason I can see. I couldn't care less.

Thats 4.5GB unaccounted for. System restore?

It could be anything, useful to you or not. It's most likely useful to someone though.