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Posted: 20 Mar 2005, 00:08
by Zoombie
maby the platfor itself is a building whos mdodle file is the platform and the space elevator conetod to it. That way, if you control the eleavator then you get extra resoures and defences. But if the enemy severs the line (by destroying the elevator) then a twenty five hundread ton hunk of metal will be slowly hurtaling towards the map.
Posted: 20 Mar 2005, 01:25
by AF
ok...... I aint sure how that would eb implemented btu I'm sure ti would requrie box based collision detection to place units ontop of it.
For space all you would need for buildings etc is to ahve aircraft that act as factories and any other aircraft you wanted, all on a map way way up high so the ground is black and is too far away to be seen and the sky si starry/nebulae whatever it is.
Platforms would almost certainly require box based collision detection unless you had unit only platforms that used transport stuff but where would the unit come form in the first palce and why would we want it that way?
Posted: 20 Mar 2005, 06:57
by Zoombie
Simple, make one big building modle file, with the elvator, the line and the space platform. Then make it produce 1000 energy and 10 metal (or whatever you want) and have it make orbital strikes like a nuke silo, then once thats ready you fire it at the map. Then if the "building" gets destroyed, it would have a special death animation where the elevator blows up and the line zips upwards. But i dont know how you could manage to make the platforms orbit degenerate from geostasionart to a decaying one then have it smash into the battalfield.
Posted: 20 Mar 2005, 18:33
by AF
Oh do you mean like a spacial tether? With a WMD ont he end in space, nwo I can easily figure that out. The elevator I dotn see why you'd add that though ti could eb what builds the platform itself, (building the palform formt eh ground would look silly and would allow units to target the platform even though it's way up high) So considering all of that it should eb a unit not a building. No tether, and it would be awkward to attack since it's so high up it's beyond OTA aircraft and weapons ranges save those perhaps of nukes and berthas (bertha firing upwards?!?!)
Posted: 20 Mar 2005, 20:12
by BeeDee
I wasn't thinking of "space platforms" in the sense of "a flat piece of metal that other stuff can stand on", but rather in the sense of "a structure in space with useful equipment on it". A building, basically, just like the buildings on the ground.
Posted: 20 Mar 2005, 20:20
by AF
No it wouldnt be a building, it would have to be an aicraft, otherwise ground units could target it, and it would eb more efficient that way. I can just imagine building launch silos and launching microsatellites and attacking other satellites. But that sort fo warfare is already within reach fo modding with OTA but didnt look the way it should because of the viewing perspective
Posted: 21 Mar 2005, 04:46
by BeeDee
Yeah, that's what I said in my original suggestion but it seemed to be misunderstood so I tried rewording it. I can't win. :)
Anyway, my basic point is probably the same as yours; TA can handle a basic type of spacecraft already without the need to fiddle with the game engine much (if at all). And personally I'm not really interested in more than that basic type of spacecraft because IMO this is a game about craters and bunkers and slamming artillery blasting up the dirt as tanks trundle around through the wreckage. Death ray satellites should only be there to add to that fun.
Posted: 21 Mar 2005, 06:41
by Zoombie
Just to anyone who dosent know what a space elevator is, ill explian. A space elvator has three parts, Platdor, Line and Elvator. The Elvator is the ground structure, where people get on to go to the Platform. kindof like a Air port (glorifyed lounge). The Line is a super strong tetehr that elvators run up and down it from the ground to space. Theas can carry equipment, matirieals and people. The Tether can only be severed by hige energy weapons (Like nukes and\or lots of artilery) but if it is severed the whiplash would cause the Platform, whitch is in a geostasionary orbit, to slowly drift towards the ground. So if you blow the elvator, then the platform will drift into the battalfiuld. So its a death beam, fusion powerplant, moho metal maker, nuke launching, spaceship building orbital death facility!
Posted: 21 Mar 2005, 21:07
by AF
No actually the term si spatial tether, and there would be no whiplash, the spacial tether would simply stand on the ground liek a tower beign abrraged by spacial debris and sattelites that cross its path
The current cost fo a spacial tether is $20 billion
A space station is constructed on an asteroid in orbit. Carbon nanotube rings are brought up to this asteroid station and form an elevator shaft that is built downwards towards the earth. Eventually this shaft will be several feet off of the ground, it will not rest on the ground because it is tethered to the asteroid which means it falls at the same rate as the asteroid and since the asteroid si fallign in such a way that it doesnt reduce in height neither does the tether. Thus the tether would attatch itself ot a mobile platform at ground level, allowing it to be moved to avoid satelites and debris in orbit. Considering the construction of such a tether is so cheap why havent we done so yet? Because the carbon nanotube materials cannot be amss produced to that scale yet nor is there the resources and technology at the moment to lift them into space. However it would allow mass construction of spacecraft by allowing huge nubmers of people and material to be lifted into space when completed.
If A tether was snapped, the lower part would fall onto the ground, the rest would remain tethered to the asteroid where the asteroid if it left orbit would leave a great tower of carbon that rised up into the upper atmosphere getting higher and higher till it left the atmosphere, or it could keep the asteroid in orbit but I dont know that much about gravity to calculate it.
Posted: 25 Mar 2005, 05:29
by Zoombie
But ig the tether is ropy and limber, then the force in its severing would travel along both sidedes like a wave. Also what about Underground maps? The map starts with a comander, who is in a big drilling, nanolathing D gunning tank, then the comander drills out a small pocet in the ground, allowing him to build metal coletor on the walls, grounds or where ever the metal is. The metal would of course be detectable by your Comander, so that the game is not imposible. So when you build a Metal colector it would carve out metal (an infinite amout) and leave a tunnle behinde. This is where you build your base. But their would also be natural cavens, with crystals and indiginus life in it. Furmuroles would allow geothermal power plants to be constructed. K-bots would fallow in the wake of tunnling tanks. Crawling bombs would be a drill with a small engian on the back. Spider tanks would cling onto the celing and drop down onto the enemy units, ripping them into tiny bits with their claws after stunning them with a quick blast from their stunn guns. And nukes would be fun! They would drill into the enemy base then detonate, colapsing a huge amounts of tunnles around the blast site. Combnine this with Space and Land, this would make for a huge, multifacited multiplayer game. Im going to start a new thred about this!
Posted: 25 Mar 2005, 06:49
by AF
aha I was wondering where you'd quoted that from and there it is.
Yes any snapping would produce waves of movement energy, however The tether is not under a huge amount of tension save that of weight. It would ahve the same effect as cutting a long piece fo string int he middle while dangling it
Posted: 25 Mar 2005, 22:33
by Archangel of Death
I feel sorry for the bustling transport center under that cut tether... and the city that is bound to spring up near any major transportation center.
Posted: 26 Mar 2005, 05:53
by Zoombie
Well concidering the state of TA's universe, the citys around the elvator would probebly be stedaly turned into garrisons then fortresses as the rebelion mounted. But in the end, the celles war between the ARM and the CORE would devasted their once massive and impressive batlments. However the elvator itself would be spared from the damage, becasue both sides are not stuipid. However, if the war gets more deperate, a desperat person could blow a nuke on the tehter line in a "scorched earth" polocy. Also, becasue im going to focuse energys away from this thread for a bit, i think ill have a closing statement. TA as always been a massive game. literaly thousands of units. Space adds a epic new stratigec way to elemanet your enemys. So why leave out a potewntial corner ston of the game. Imagen a TA with underground, Space, and other facits that make it a longer replaing game. Im not saying that Spring MUST have a space side when it comes out, but their sould be a expansion pack later. Anyone thought of mobile basees though?
Posted: 26 Mar 2005, 18:38
by AF
I thought I started a new thread for this so Neuralize could have hsi thread back?!?!?!!
Anyways I see it that Mr.Arm decides to goto Tether land, Mr.Core wants to put one of those big petterning machines on mr.tether, mr.person under mr.tether goes noooooooooooooooooooo, mr.arm reaches mr.person under mr.tether and says "it'll be ok" mr.core reaches mr.arm and says no it wont, mr.tether says shutup, mr.person under mr.tether says it's all terrible, mr.arm tells mr.core to p*ss off, mr.tether says I cba with this, Mr.Cor tries to bazooka mr.arm, mr.arm tries to go up mr.tether. Mr.core bazookas mr.tether in half. Mr.Tethers lower half starts hurtling towards mr.person under mr.tethers position. In a stroke of luck one of zoombies wonderous 'massive sewer networks' collapses and mr.person under mr.tether falls into the chasm, avoiding the lower half of mr.tether. Mr.Arm gets stuck in space, and mr.core is sat wondering why this thread has gotten so far offtopic, and mr.tethers wondering why he cant take a sh*t