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Re: Why no .doc and yes .pdf

Posted: 03 Aug 2010, 23:36
by Forboding Angel
KDR_11k wrote:doc is obsolete, at least ask for docx.
No it isn't. Doc will only become obsolete when offices and corporations stop using it. Also, docx sucks in wordperfect x5 and open office and generally does not display correctly, so those issues need to be ironed out as well before the .doc format can be considered "retired".

Re: Why no .doc and yes .pdf

Posted: 05 Aug 2010, 19:55
by KDR_11k
If you want cross-software compatibility use ODF, if you want the most common office package use docx. Doc is both proprietary (limited compatibility) and obsolete.

Re: Why no .doc and yes .pdf

Posted: 06 Aug 2010, 04:57
by Kenku
KDR_11k wrote:If you want cross-software compatibility use ODF, if you want the most common office package use docx. Doc is both proprietary (limited compatibility) and obsolete.
Both of thoes have issues. Anyone with an older version of word or wordperfect has to go find converters for them, where .doc has no issues on either open office or Office 2010. Besides, what benefits is there to going to docx?

Re: Why no .doc and yes .pdf

Posted: 06 Aug 2010, 07:22
by Pressure Line
Kenku wrote:Besides, what benefits is there to going to docx?
Its all about the 'x'. Any file extension with an 'x' in it is clearly superior.

Re: Why no .doc and yes .pdf

Posted: 06 Aug 2010, 07:55
by KDR_11k
Docx (or OOXML) is the standard format of current MS Office packages (and actually an ISO standard). Doc is the format of old (as in 2003, that's 7 years!) packages that is haphazardly supported by other software because it's a weird proprietary mess.

As a better option there's ODF which is fully compatible with free office packages so nobody has to worry about not owning the right version. Seriously people, use ODF. If your word processor is too old for that maybe you should consider upgrading. After all upgrading is free.

Re: Why no .doc and yes .pdf

Posted: 06 Aug 2010, 17:02
by AF
I wasnt aware iphone/ipad/Android/Office/Commandline/Printers/etc could read ODF? ( or docx for that matter )

Doc was in word 97/xp too

Re: Why no .doc and yes .pdf

Posted: 06 Aug 2010, 21:58
by forest_devil
wait im having a brainfart.
WHO CARES?! not like 90% of us cant open doc or docx or whatever. use what ever you like. dont need to fill forums up with playground drama any more then they already are

Re: Why no .doc and yes .pdf

Posted: 06 Aug 2010, 22:13
by KDR_11k
AF wrote:I wasnt aware iphone/ipad/Android/Office/Commandline/Printers/etc could read ODF? ( or docx for that matter )

Doc was in word 97/xp too
So you're advocating .PDF or .PS then?

Re: Why no .doc and yes .pdf

Posted: 06 Aug 2010, 22:56
by AF
PDF, or better yet, html =p

Re: Why no .doc and yes .pdf

Posted: 07 Aug 2010, 16:24
by Kenku
In the end, yea, PDF or HTML is best. Right now, Docx in my opinion hasn't fully obsoleted doc, just from what AF has said(and that doesn't even add in Google Docs), and unless you have the proper plugins, you can't "back translate". The other formats on the other hand don't have the translation issues.

Re: Why no .doc and yes .pdf

Posted: 09 Aug 2010, 19:57
by KDR_11k
Seriously, PDF for stuff that's meant to be read only, ODF for anything meant to be modifiable.

Re: Why no .doc and yes .pdf

Posted: 09 Aug 2010, 20:01
by knorke
.pdf looks the same everywhere even while printing.
so if someone makes something that is to be printed, for example a keyboard shortcut table, .pdf is ok.

I always put funny pictures I've found in a powerpoint presentation, makes it easier to send by email.

Re: Why no .doc and yes .pdf

Posted: 09 Aug 2010, 20:58
by Pxtl
knorke wrote:.pdf looks the same everywhere even while printing.
so if someone makes something that is to be printed, for example a keyboard shortcut table, .pdf is ok.

I always put funny pictures I've found in a powerpoint presentation, makes it easier to send by email.
Knorke, I've never seen anybody under 40 do that before. Seriously.

Re: Why no .doc and yes .pdf

Posted: 10 Aug 2010, 02:58
by Hobo Joe
knorke wrote: I always put funny pictures I've found in a powerpoint presentation, makes it easier to send by email.

LOL

Re: Why no .doc and yes .pdf

Posted: 10 Aug 2010, 22:20
by SwiftSpear
Kenku wrote:
KDR_11k wrote:If you want cross-software compatibility use ODF, if you want the most common office package use docx. Doc is both proprietary (limited compatibility) and obsolete.
Both of thoes have issues. Anyone with an older version of word or wordperfect has to go find converters for them, where .doc has no issues on either open office or Office 2010. Besides, what benefits is there to going to docx?
If you have wordperfect or an older version of word download open office and shut up. Your technophobe argument holds no weight here. You're going to perform some function that requires document transfer through the forums and you can't figure out how open office works? No.

Re: Why no .doc and yes .pdf

Posted: 11 Aug 2010, 05:19
by Kenku
SwiftSpear wrote:
Kenku wrote:
KDR_11k wrote:If you want cross-software compatibility use ODF, if you want the most common office package use docx. Doc is both proprietary (limited compatibility) and obsolete.
Both of thoes have issues. Anyone with an older version of word or wordperfect has to go find converters for them, where .doc has no issues on either open office or Office 2010. Besides, what benefits is there to going to docx?
If you have wordperfect or an older version of word download open office and shut up. Your technophobe argument holds no weight here. You're going to perform some function that requires document transfer through the forums and you can't figure out how open office works? No.
Dude...I have the extension to run Docx programs. I myself have no problem with it. Im talking about thoes people who say are using Google Docs, or may not have open office(although being a non-linux user most times, I didn't know it could run Docx)

And further more, neither of you answered my question. In this case, what is the advantage of Docx over Doc?

Re: Why no .doc and yes .pdf

Posted: 11 Aug 2010, 17:54
by lurker
HTML has the issue that IE has between no and crippled data URI support, so the only way to avoid a zip for images would be mht, which only it and Opera support.

Re: Why no .doc and yes .pdf

Posted: 11 Aug 2010, 18:42
by SpliFF
Please, can't we all just agree that TXT is the ultimate format?!

After all, if I only had TXT I couldn't do this:


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And the world would be a happier place

:lol: :twisted: :evil: :cry: :oops: :cry:

Re: Why no .doc and yes .pdf

Posted: 24 Aug 2010, 20:54
by el_matarife
Pxtl wrote:
knorke wrote:I always put funny pictures I've found in a powerpoint presentation, makes it easier to send by email.
Knorke, I've never seen anybody under 40 do that before. Seriously.
Do people at your office send you screenshots by pressing print screen then pasting it into a Word doc and emailing it?

Re: Why no .doc and yes .pdf

Posted: 24 Aug 2010, 22:33
by Petah
el_matarife wrote:
Pxtl wrote:
knorke wrote:I always put funny pictures I've found in a powerpoint presentation, makes it easier to send by email.
Knorke, I've never seen anybody under 40 do that before. Seriously.
Do people at your office send you screenshots by pressing print screen then pasting it into a Word doc and emailing it?
No, they put them in powerpoint, like he said.