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Re: My head hurts! Damn logic game

Posted: 28 May 2010, 21:36
by SwiftSpear
aegis wrote:
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if you have 2 reds in a row after 1 or 2 blue your solution will be invalid, although it probably passes the test.

Re: My head hurts! Damn logic game

Posted: 28 May 2010, 21:52
by TradeMark
Now im starting to understand... feels like learning programming all over again. nice game...

Re: My head hurts! Damn logic game

Posted: 29 May 2010, 00:07
by TradeMark
Hmm, how come bridges makes it so much slower? o.o

conveyors/bridges: 33/2 - total time: 57
conveyors/bridges: 23/4 - total time: 58

theres 10 conveyors less but still its slower... :(

was fun to optimize, but not fun anymore when bridges makes it slower -_-

Re: My head hurts! Damn logic game

Posted: 29 May 2010, 00:13
by aegis
it's more fun to optimize for size than speed. just try to get the least number of parts possible while still passing all the tests.

Re: My head hurts! Damn logic game

Posted: 29 May 2010, 00:47
by TradeMark
I just noticed that conveyors doesnt take time at all.. makes sense kinda, as if it was electricity.

What if i try to optimize parts and speed...

1) conveyors/bridges: 33/2 - total time: 57
2) conveyors/bridges: 23/4 - total time: 58
3) conveyors/bridges: 28/1 - total time: 42

3rd case has 22% more conveyors than 2nd case, but it is 28% faster.
28-22 = 6, so its 6% more efficient, right? uh, idk anymore, i suck at math...

Re: My head hurts! Damn logic game

Posted: 29 May 2010, 09:34
by KDR_11k
It depends on the usage, if you have a ton of conveyors but they only describe parallel paths so that a given bot will only use a few of them they won't impact the time much. It times the total time spent in the machine for the predefined test bots (the randoms don't count).

Re: My head hurts! Damn logic game

Posted: 02 Jun 2010, 08:56
by SwiftSpear
I would love a sequel to this game. It's one of the most entertaining puzzle games I've played in a long time.

Re: My head hurts! Damn logic game

Posted: 02 Jun 2010, 09:25
by aegis

Re: My head hurts! Damn logic game

Posted: 02 Jun 2010, 20:33
by KDR_11k
Yeah but that one requires electrical engineering. I don't even have an idea how I am supposed to make a time-variant system without a clock.

Re: My head hurts! Damn logic game

Posted: 02 Jun 2010, 20:59
by aegis
circuit delay! several people in #hurr solved most or all of them iirc.

Re: My head hurts! Damn logic game

Posted: 02 Jun 2010, 22:20
by SwiftSpear
I couldn't figure out the basics... gotta spend more time on it. It seems a little less intuitive than manufactoria. Reminds me of working with VHCL

Re: My head hurts! Damn logic game

Posted: 02 Jun 2010, 22:32
by aegis
make sure to watch the tutorial video under help.

Re: My head hurts! Damn logic game

Posted: 03 Jun 2010, 08:17
by KDR_11k
The problem with the damn tutorial is that the text is hard to read and shows only very shortly.

EDIT: Okay, gate delay works, for reference the delay of five gates is equal to one bar on the verification tab.

Re: My head hurts! Damn logic game

Posted: 03 Jun 2010, 12:38
by Google_Frog
Awesome game.

I've played Alchemical Engineering and the Electronics one too.

Re: My head hurts! Damn logic game

Posted: 03 Jun 2010, 15:15
by KDR_11k
I didn't like the alchemy game, feels too much like work, not enough like finding creative solutions.

Re: My head hurts! Damn logic game

Posted: 03 Jun 2010, 16:22
by Google_Frog
I try to get the fastest time with Alchemy, you've got to be creative for that.

Re: My head hurts! Damn logic game

Posted: 03 Jun 2010, 19:47
by Sucky_Lord
showed this to my brother (he's studying maths at oxford, so he was really getting into it!) he was up for 23 hours playing it. he finally completed it though! :)

Re: My head hurts! Damn logic game

Posted: 03 Jun 2010, 20:16
by KDR_11k
SwiftSpear wrote:I would love a sequel to this game.
Hm, does that mean you beat the Metatron?

Re: My head hurts! Damn logic game

Posted: 04 Jun 2010, 01:09
by Wisse
Just came to say that I love Manufactoria. Best game I ever played.

I've played for 10h or so hours till now, but couldn't pass few of the levels. Now I'm slowly starting to question my capabilities.
I'm gonna soldier on tho, even if it takes me 1 year.

p.s. this thing wasted my whole day, meant for study, like nothing -.-

Re: My head hurts! Damn logic game

Posted: 04 Jun 2010, 01:29
by TradeMark
Wisse wrote:p.s. this thing wasted my whole day, meant for study, like nothing -.-
Yeah, thats why i stopped playing it after i couldnt figure out some levels... waste of time if its too hard, its not fun anymore :|

Feels like: "here, use 1 and 0, now build a fucking computer. gogogogogogogo!!!"

Whats the fun in that...