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Re: C:\Documents and Settings\user\Local Settings\Application...
Posted: 20 May 2009, 19:39
by zwzsg
imbaczek wrote:infolog.txt will tell you which config file it tries to use.
How is infolog written if the application doesn't have admin privilege?
Re: C:\Documents and Settings\user\Local Settings\Application...
Posted: 20 May 2009, 19:42
by imbaczek
no idea ^^ guess we need to move it, too.
Re: C:\Documents and Settings\user\Local Settings\Application...
Posted: 20 May 2009, 19:43
by Auswaschbar
zwzsg wrote:imbaczek wrote:infolog.txt will tell you which config file it tries to use.
How is infolog written if the application doesn't have admin privilege?
Ideally it should go into your "My Files". But because vista is all awkward / broken, it currently goes into virtual store.
Re: C:\Documents and Settings\user\Local Settings\Application...
Posted: 20 May 2009, 19:44
by smoth
if it is being written then maybe none of this shit needed to be moved in the first place?
Why does spring default into program files. shit put it in mydocuments/games, what is the reason you guys want to put it in a folder that requires such awkward methods?
Re: C:\Documents and Settings\user\Local Settings\Application...
Posted: 20 May 2009, 19:46
by lurker
It's not vista that's at fault. Something in the compile toolchain is incorrectly embedding the manifest file, so spring gets treated as a legacy app.
Re: C:\Documents and Settings\user\Local Settings\Application...
Posted: 20 May 2009, 20:02
by Auswaschbar
smoth wrote:if it is being written then maybe none of this shit needed to be moved in the first place?
Why does spring default into program files. shit put it in mydocuments/games, what is the reason you guys want to put it in a folder that requires such awkward methods?
Since when did you change your mind?
smoth wrote:
so when a user tells me he wants to download gundam but cannot remember where to save it... blah blah blah.
I remember that you are all about this but I think it is colossally idiotic to use the windows user files. Those were designed for applications, you know like word or visual studio. Those things are different. Users storing maps and mods there is not a good idea. It complicates the install possibly even putting files on different hard drives.
Don't try and paint it like we stuck our heads in the sand and cried CHANGE BAD. You don't have to deal with content and the installation of said content past pulling the data into your lobby. We have to tell the users where to put it, help them figure out what the fuck their user directory is and then explain to them how it will not allow them to directly copy the spring directory over for lan parties. Because at said lanparty they will not only have to give their friends who are probably borederline computer ignorant what the fuck a user directory is. At which point people say the game is too hard to do at lans/install/figure out.
We already have to deal with DERP DERP where does I puts the mod when the mod directory is in the spring base dir.
smoth wrote:Peet wrote:Agreed, I'm all for everything being in /Spring/.
+1
Re: C:\Documents and Settings\user\Local Settings\Application...
Posted: 20 May 2009, 20:07
by smoth
I don't see the point of all your quotes.
I still want everything in /spring/ I am saying if the issue is that you cannot put everything in spring because it is in program files why don't you install it into a dir that it can access like something under my documents.
it being the spring directory not the config files.
Re: C:\Documents and Settings\user\Local Settings\Application...
Posted: 20 May 2009, 20:09
by zwzsg
imbaczek wrote:no idea ^^ guess we need to move it, too.
And widget configs, and uikeys, and god now what else. I'll need mods to be allowed to write and delete files for instance.
Maybe have something like, if there is a springsettings.cfg in Spring folder, use stuff only from Spring folder, if not, use files spread all over?
Re: C:\Documents and Settings\user\Local Settings\Application...
Posted: 20 May 2009, 20:10
by Pxtl
Forboding Angel wrote:hunterw wrote:i hate it when stuff does this. settings put in registry is already irritating - can't programs simply be all-inclusive on its installation directory? other than trying to prevent copyright infringement, it really makes the most sense
Good lord do I agree, but since program files is locked down, there goes that wishlist.
Yeah, but would 2 folders be too much to ask? One in PF for the absolute core stuff, and a single solitary userland folder for everything else - maps, configs, everything.
And really, the Vista developers need to be kicked repeatedly in the genitals for locking users out of the "Application Data" folder. It's userland data, fark YOU I want to access it.
The correct place to put all the Spring stuff would be a Spring subfolder of the Application Data folder... but Microsoft makes the Application Data folder such a farking pain in the ass that such an approach is utterly retarded.
I'd just say go with My Documents / Spring. It's stupid, but it works under both Vista and XP, and the users can find their friggin' files.
(Under Vista, the user's root user folder is more accessible than under XP, so User/Spring would work well there).
Re: C:\Documents and Settings\user\Local Settings\Application...
Posted: 20 May 2009, 20:25
by lurker
Pxtl wrote:locking users out of the "Application Data" folder.
This is wrong. YOU ARE DOING A BAD THING SPREADING THIS RUMOR
Read the thread once more, and never say that again.
Re: C:\Documents and Settings\user\Local Settings\Application...
Posted: 21 May 2009, 12:05
by AF
program files != userland
users just assumed this because the security policies didn't lock them out, and now they do, and things are a lot more secure as a result.
We should force everyone to do it properly, everyone who wants things to stay the same like smoth can use a portable installer which should leave everything all neatly packaged in a single self contained directory without touching userland.
Re: C:\Documents and Settings\user\Local Settings\Application...
Posted: 21 May 2009, 12:52
by imbaczek
spring as of today will pick up springsettings.cfg if it exists in the same place as spring.exe and is writeable. it will NOT try to create one - if it isn't found, it will try to use App Data/springsettings.cfg.
Re: C:\Documents and Settings\user\Local Settings\Application...
Posted: 21 May 2009, 17:01
by zwzsg
Sounds good.
Re: C:\Documents and Settings\user\Local Settings\Application...
Posted: 21 May 2009, 17:34
by lurker
AF wrote:everyone who wants things to stay the same like smoth can use a portable installer which should leave everything all neatly packaged in a single self contained directory without touching userland.
Do you mean without leaving userland? Or do you have a different term for user data outside of Users\ ?
Re: C:\Documents and Settings\user\Local Settings\Application...
Posted: 22 May 2009, 11:39
by AF
Aka, this is my spring folder and it has my spring install, everything spring related on my machine resides in this folder, ti need not look elsewhere.
Re: C:\Documents and Settings\user\Local Settings\Application...
Posted: 22 May 2009, 19:03
by lurker
That part was quite clear, even with your distracting fonts. My question is what you mean by 'userland'. Isn't this install in userland if you have full control and write access? Or are you calling Users\ userland, in which case, what are you calling everything else where the user puts data? Or something else entirely?
Re: C:\Documents and Settings\user\Local Settings\Application...
Posted: 24 May 2009, 18:55
by AF
Lets ignore the userland bit as part of an error in articulation.
Basically those who want everythign in one folder can use the portable version and get exactly what theyre asking for. All settings content etc in the same folder, copy paste install etc
Re: C:\Documents and Settings\user\Local Settings\Application...
Posted: 28 May 2009, 10:50
by Forboding Angel
Actually I really appreciate the portable, basically because it makes making custom installers even easier than it was before.
Re: C:\Documents and Settings\user\Local Settings\Application...
Posted: 28 May 2009, 18:34
by Societal
Is springsettings.cfg supposed to be in a folder within user/application data/?
Currently there are /springsettings and /springlobby as separate folders. It would look better if there were a /Spring created by the installer above that and all configuration files contained therein.