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Posted: 02 May 2007, 21:03
by Comp1337
Cabbage wrote:
Guessmyname wrote:What is this number supposed to do anyway...
HD-DVD encryption..

And no, numbers CANNOT be copyrighted, which is why after the 486, (and lots of reversed engineered rival products with the same name), intel decided to call it's next processor the pentium..
they can, but they cant make it a trademark afaik

Posted: 02 May 2007, 22:32
by Felix the Cat
We're not lawyers, let's not debate over the finer points of intellectual property law.

Posted: 02 May 2007, 23:17
by Boirunner
Cabbage wrote:And no, numbers CANNOT be copyrighted, which is why after the 486, (and lots of reversed engineered rival products with the same name), intel decided to call it's next processor the pentium..
What you describe is a trademark. Of course numbers can be copyrighted. An MP3 can be represented as a string of bits. That is a number. The contents of the MP3 is copyrighted. Therefore the number representing the contents of the MP3 is copyrighted.

Posted: 02 May 2007, 23:20
by Cabbage
errr i meant trademark! yeah!.. :oops:




bastids! :P

Posted: 03 May 2007, 00:35
by Caydr
BlackLiger wrote:really? Mine's 12345
That's the dumbest password I've ever heard!

Posted: 03 May 2007, 08:24
by KDR_11k
Boirunner wrote:
Cabbage wrote:And no, numbers CANNOT be copyrighted, which is why after the 486, (and lots of reversed engineered rival products with the same name), intel decided to call it's next processor the pentium..
What you describe is a trademark. Of course numbers can be copyrighted. An MP3 can be represented as a string of bits. That is a number. The contents of the MP3 is copyrighted. Therefore the number representing the contents of the MP3 is copyrighted.
No, the stuff the number represents (in the case of an MP3 a song) is copyrighted, not the number itself. Copyright applies to creative works, the number is the output of an algorithm which is not creative. This also means that encoding the same song into a different number will still be covered by the same copyright and encoding something else into the same number (e.g. an image file that happens to end up looking the same on the disc) is a separate copyright.

Posted: 03 May 2007, 08:26
by CompWiz

Posted: 03 May 2007, 09:44
by Boirunner
KDR_11k wrote:
Boirunner wrote:
Cabbage wrote:And no, numbers CANNOT be copyrighted, which is why after the 486, (and lots of reversed engineered rival products with the same name), intel decided to call it's next processor the pentium..
What you describe is a trademark. Of course numbers can be copyrighted. An MP3 can be represented as a string of bits. That is a number. The contents of the MP3 is copyrighted. Therefore the number representing the contents of the MP3 is copyrighted.
No, the stuff the number represents (in the case of an MP3 a song) is copyrighted, not the number itself. Copyright applies to creative works, the number is the output of an algorithm which is not creative. This also means that encoding the same song into a different number will still be covered by the same copyright and encoding something else into the same number (e.g. an image file that happens to end up looking the same on the disc) is a separate copyright.
Well yes. The music is copyrighted, and therefore you may not freely copy a number that can be used to represent the music in the context that it can do that. It's the exact same thing here: You may not distribute the number in the context that it can be used to decode DVDs.

In either cases, the number itself without the context is worthless and meaningless, and can be copied freely. Nobody will make it illegal for your calculator to express that number :roll:

Posted: 03 May 2007, 12:09
by SwiftSpear
Hay guys, I hear pluto is 99206706771272430000mm away from the sun lawl.

Posted: 03 May 2007, 13:47
by tooleh
Surely they mean 4 8 15 16 23 42 ?

Posted: 03 May 2007, 18:02
by KDR_11k
Number no longer works? Who cares, they just broke the whole scheme!

Posted: 04 May 2007, 19:18
by BlackLiger
Well, since its now spread that far, it can be claimed to be reverse engineered, in which case, if I remember correctly, any copyright or trademark is defunct, if they didn't patent the encryption system.

Posted: 05 May 2007, 00:11
by TheRegisteredOne
Ishach wrote:check it out if you write your forums password in a post it comes up as stars

*********
******** :O

Posted: 05 May 2007, 00:18
by CompWiz
PinkPonies

EDIT: WTF IT DOES NOT!!!!!

Posted: 05 May 2007, 00:31
by rattle
That is smoth's password!

Posted: 05 May 2007, 00:49
by smoth
CompWiz wrote:PinkPonies
HOW DID YOU KNOW!?!?!

Posted: 05 May 2007, 02:28
by Zpock
back ontopic:

I HEREBY OWN THE NUMBVER 1 AND ANYONE USING IT HAS TO PAY ME 1 DOLLARS PER USE!!!!

Posted: 05 May 2007, 02:39
by KingRaptor
Zpock wrote:I HEREBY OWN THE NUMBVER 1 AND ANYONE USING IT HAS TO PAY ME 1 DOLLARS PER USE!!!!
CURSES!

Guess we'll just have to use 0.999... instead.