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Comp1337 wrote:

Felix the Cat wrote:Personally I think that we'll have the technology to indefinitely extend the human lifetime within 50 years.

as long as it works through stopping aging, it will be a greater technological advance than the transistor.

If/When that happens, we will be facing global mass sterilization though. I wonder how that will affect humanity..

"What began as a conlict over the transfer of consciousness from flesh to machine..."

I think that any sort of quimic reaction that makes more of herself (like life does) can be called life, so maybe life can exist in ways we cant imagine cause we never say em (or the elements that make em) before.

Even if we gained the capability to extend life indefinitely, eventually everyone would die of accidents. Plus, if people can live forever, reaching other solar systems should become relatively simple, as knowledge isn't lost due to death at such a rapid pace. But uh, can we focus on Europa and Titan for the moment? If what is believed about Europa is true, black smoker organisms should be able to survive there, and by extension everything else. Titan has more methane than we know what to do with. Geysers and lakes of fuel, just waiting to be claimed. :)

Isn't there a way to harvest the iron oxide from Mars? Ahhh, shit, its gunna be just like the story of Fallen Haven/Liberation day (Fallen Haven 2)

A corrupt super powered monster that controls all space programs and colonizing and we are gunna have aliens detected, and a planet wiped out, they are gunna cover it up by cutting comunications and killing as many survivors retreating to Earth as possible, then an aggrieved survivor is gunna drop an avalanche class super heavy tank on their corporate offices

Zpock wrote:

Comp1337 wrote:

Felix the Cat wrote:Personally I think that we'll have the technology to indefinitely extend the human lifetime within 50 years.

as long as it works through stopping aging, it will be a greater technological advance than the transistor.

If/When that happens, we will be facing global mass sterilization though. I wonder how that will affect humanity..

"What began as a conlict over the transfer of consciousness from flesh to machine..."

It ended as a gaetor spaem.

Felix the Cat wrote:I'm looking forward to the future, in case you couldn't tell.

Me too. I want to live a long time as long as i dont get senile.

Snipawolf wrote:Isn't there a way to harvest the iron oxide from Mars? Ahhh, shit, its gunna be just like the story of Fallen Haven/Liberation day (Fallen Haven 2)

A corrupt super powered monster that controls all space programs and colonizing and we are gunna have aliens detected, and a planet wiped out, they are gunna cover it up by cutting comunications and killing as many survivors retreating to Earth as possible, then an aggrieved survivor is gunna drop an avalanche class super heavy tank on their corporate offices

I'm sure there's a way, it's just not economical due to the low price of iron and the high price of transporting large masses of iron to the Earth.

We have more than enough iron here on Earth for our needs here on Earth... Mars will probably mine iron for itself.

I don't believe we will ever have the opportunity to extend the human lifespan beyond about one hundred and sixty years, due to external forces. It is unlikely our species will avoid extinction for a long enough period to accomplish that minor feat, however.

The iron oxide over the bulk of mars is too spread out to extract and refine economically, even for mars, and nothing is economical enough to mine and ship back to earth, even if you postuluate the existence of a space elevator at one end to reduce launch costs. The one exception I've heard is lunar deuterium - with a space elevator it becomes economical, or so they say.

Of course, since Mars is fairly similar to earth in terms of composition, there are veins and deposites of minable material underground, that any martian collonists would definetely be using.

Construction of a space elevator is simply not going to happen. There is no way to shield such from material impact while in space, and no way to anchor one end of it cost-effectively.

neddiedrow wrote:Construction of a space elevator is simply not going to happen. There is no way to shield such from material impact while in space, and no way to anchor one end of it cost-effectively.

Space elevators are easy, once you have unobtanium!

I agree, there is no proof carbon nanotubes will have the bulk properties necessary for space elevator construction, and nothing else we're ever seen comes anywhere close. Spider web is the runner up, I think, and that's not tough enough either. PLUS there is the as-of-yet unsolved problem of getting power to the "climber".

That said, the plans I have heard involve material impacts going right through the thing, but designing the strip of nanotubes to be more like a wide, curved band (think like a window shade) that can get some holes in it without failing, and would degrade over time, with a total lifetime of about a decade before it would need to be replaced.

As for the ground station, I liked the idea of anchoring it to an oceavessel, so the earth end can be bent out of the way of storm, ect. Computer models have shown this to be fairly workable.

Summary: I agree with you that space elevators are a pipe dream, but for different reasons.

neddiedrow wrote:Construction of a space elevator is simply not going to happen. There is no way to shield such from material impact while in space, and no way to anchor one end of it cost-effectively.

Can I please have your crystal ball.

It would be cool if Mars was colonised, and then after a while they started to see themselves as Marsians rather than Earthians and break away from earth just like the US did from GB. Just dreaming a bit...

Furthermore, the idea of another planet, or moon (it shouldnt be too far away), that resembles earth with people on it is very exciting.
Imagine chatting on msn with a girl on mars for example

Felix the Cat wrote:

neddiedrow wrote:Construction of a space elevator is simply not going to happen. There is no way to shield such from material impact while in space, and no way to anchor one end of it cost-effectively.

Can I please have your crystal ball.

No, but you can go do some research.

I would find justin case has been watching too many hollywood "omg the USA wins again!! *lead character has sex in a boat and sails into the sunset only to be found in hilarious predicament, side character (token black guy) gets embarassed and humiliated*".

However the space elevator is not something we can predict like that neddie. There are too many unknowns and people have a habit of prooving these things wrong and doing them anyway. Look at virgin galactica, and other commercial space flight companies which were supposed to be unfeasable.

neddiedrow wrote:

Felix the Cat wrote:

neddiedrow wrote:Construction of a space elevator is simply not going to happen. There is no way to shield such from material impact while in space, and no way to anchor one end of it cost-effectively.

Can I please have your crystal ball.

No, but you can go do some research.

I have done some research. I would extend the same invitation to you.

neddiedrow wrote:I don't believe we will ever have the opportunity to extend the human lifespan beyond about one hundred and sixty years, due to external forces. It is unlikely our species will avoid extinction for a long enough period to accomplish that minor feat, however.

Talk about otimism! :)

Dont worry, we will be visiting alien planets and kidnapping inferior lifeforms to open then and put/remove stuff inside before we can notice!

Okay so if earth starts doeing intergalactic exploration..Will earth be united as one 'country'? Will we have some earth president? Becuase for other 'aliens' it would be abit confusing when they are trying to communicate to earth getting like 100+ leaders answering back.

Only two things would motivate us to _really_ explore space, enough to find your "aliens", at least in the short term:

1) A real and credible threat to our existence if we do not.
2) A way to make money from it.

If (1) happens, I can see a multinational body formed to organize collective efforts to address whatever problem exists. I find this to be unlikely.

If (2) happens, we will not only remain separate nations, it will almost certainly be a private corporation who contacts your hypothetical aliens first, not a country. Seriously, what nation would give up it's sovereigty because it's more convenient for the aliens?