Spring RTS Engine

Caydr wrote:Furthermore, I'm going to destroy speedmetal. It's not what this game's meant to be played on. As of 2.2, it will be impossible to play AA on speedmetal or its variants.

How, pray tell, shall you manage this?

EDIT: Isn't the forum supposed to break when a topic overshoots the 60-pages mark?

I bet awesome coding that makes mexxes don't give any metal on patches higer then "x".

I mean, it works the OTHER way... (exploiters...)

as for aa bot models I like these:

arm
http://www.unituniverse.com/?p=u&v=3019


core
http://www.unituniverse.com/?p=u&v=660



http://www.unituniverse.com/?p=u&v=3241

this one has a flag, how cool is that?

the flagged one is kinda .... lol...

but the arm chicken walker...

thats pretty smooth for an anti-air mech

i really hope that was not a joke to make speedmetal* maps unplayable on aa

Machiosabre wrote:as for aa bot models I like these:

arm
http://www.unituniverse.com/?p=u&v=3019

Not bad, rocket containers should be angled upwards though. Maybe stick a radar on top or sth. similar.

core
http://www.unituniverse.com/?p=u&v=660

Tasty. Very cool. Hails of tracers from that would look quite nice.

http://www.unituniverse.com/?p=u&v=3241

this one has a flag, how cool is that?

Meh.

I'm probably going to make shields play a different role. Rather than being a general defense for a wide area, they will be much closer to the original purpose I had in mind, protecting a small area with important structures. They will however be much more effective at protecting that area.

This should have at least one interesting effect...

Well it's about bloody fracking time. Like 6 months ago I was practically begging for some model suggestions and I get nothing, now I ask and I get three that all look very promising! Thanks.

AA kbots in next release.

Furthermore, I've come to a decision. Since the transition from L1 to L2 is so expensive and difficult (rightly so), I think it would be a good experiment to try turning Twilights and Exploiters into an actual upgrade to regular extractors, rather than just an alternative. They will have an increased metal output compared with regular extractors, but will still make moho extractors the ultimate solution. They will also be more expensive - sort of like the difference between a Defender and a Packo. The same sort of unit, but with improved survivability and usefulness in the same space.

This will make L1 battles not peter out so badly when people start trying to build their L2 factories, I hope, because you will still have the ability to continue improving your metal income.

Twilights will still be cloakable for a very reasonable cost, while Exploiters will still be armed. Both will receive a reasonable HP boost relative to their increased cost, especially in Twilight's case.

thb I wouldn't want to go through upgrading mexes twice.
In my experience there's a decrease in speed just after lvl2, not just before, and it's because you pump alot more res into economy at lvl2 and I wouldn't want it to be like that at lvl1.
I'm all for making exploiters and twilights have the same output as a regular mex though.

afaik there is a new mex ugrade group ai in the next spring version

Although i agree with machio

I think it depends on the payoff time of the L1+ mexes. If they more than pay themselves off by the time you can afford to replace them with Mohos, they'll get used. If they don't, they won't.

I'm all for anything that can smooth the transition to an L2 economy, though.

An idea for the two different Level 2 Geo-plants:
At the moment, they are very similiar I think.
Maybe the 'dangerous' version (forgot the name) should have an "high pressure" option that can be toggled via the on/off button.
When enabled, all safety valves are closed and the energy-output is doubled.
This would result in a bigger explosion when destroyed (better switch off your plants when attacked!) and the self-repair would be stopped.

I think it would be a good experiment to try turning Twilights and Exploiters into an actual upgrade to regular extractors, rather than just an alternative. They will have an increased metal output compared with regular extractors, but will still make moho extractors the ultimate solution.

This might get too complicated...why not just build some extra windfarms+metalmakers, although short-lived they are usefull to make the jump to level 2 a little easier.

Maybe for pepole who aren't really planning on level 2?

Kixxe wrote:I bet awesome coding that makes mexxes don't give any metal on patches higer then "x".

I mean, it works the OTHER way... (exploiters...)

Well, no, actually they'll be instantly self-destructing if their rotating arm goes faster than the speed it goes at roughly somewhere between 3 and 5 metal per tick (haven't decided yet). But you were close.

Finally made it through the whole thread. phew. Changelog the size of my arm. Going out of town for a bit but I'm bringing my laptop, changelog, and development version of AA with me so I should be able to do some work on the road.

3-5 metal per tick is a little extreme (speedmetal is 2x per tick) altthough really i think people should be able to play whatever map they like...

Caydr wrote: Furthermore, I've come to a decision. Since the transition from L1 to L2 is so expensive and difficult (rightly so), I think it would be a good experiment to try turning Twilights and Exploiters into an actual upgrade to regular extractors, rather than just an alternative. They will have an increased metal output compared with regular extractors, but will still make moho extractors the ultimate solution. They will also be more expensive - sort of like the difference between a Defender and a Packo. The same sort of unit, but with improved survivability and usefulness in the same space.

This will make L1 battles not peter out so badly when people start trying to build their L2 factories, I hope, because you will still have the ability to continue improving your metal income.

Twilights will still be cloakable for a very reasonable cost, while Exploiters will still be armed. Both will receive a reasonable HP boost relative to their increased cost, especially in Twilight's case.

Please NO, why change it too much every time..... we want a quality mod! not a mod which changes all the time....

NOiZE wrote:Please NO, why change it too much every time..... we want a quality mod! not a mod which changes all the time....

A quality mod is a mod that changes as issues are discovered.

I'd like to see the changelog. If most of it's focused on naval balance, that's good.

Caydr wrote: Well, no, actually they'll be instantly self-destructing if their rotating arm goes faster than the speed it goes at roughly somewhere between 3 and 5 metal per tick (haven't decided yet). But you were close.

that's really phatetic tbh, someone will just make a variant and all your work is gone, huge waste of time. Let's face it you can't kill speedmetal, but why do you care? It's the speedmetal players who waste their time...

Just let everybody play what they want to play. it's a game ffs.

I agree with machio re: L1.5 mexes. upgrading mexxes is the biggest hassle of playing AA and having to do it twice per game would be pretty awful.

I also agree w/ Noize about speedmetal. Mostly I think making mexxes destroy at 3-5 metal is really extreme and might ruin other interesting gimmick maps besides speedmetal.

that's really phatetic tbh, someone will just make a variant and all your work is gone, huge waste of time. Let's face it you can't kill speedmetal, but why do you care? It's the speedmetal players who waste their time...

Just let everybody play what they want to play. it's a game ffs.

Pathetic :)
and i dunno about the changes...shields shouldn't really be in AA imo. Maybe (MAYBE) bertha walls or something, just not shields.
level 1.5 mexes? also doesn't sound very hot, a strange strange way to do things.
Removing SM compatibility? don't think it will work a variant will be out in a week, besides SM is the lulz and a funny alternative gameplay. This is the miN3mATiAn PrEsDiNT of #as (anti-speedmetal channel). I just detest it being taken seriously, it can be fun hehehe