Spring RTS Engine

I googled "Google Intention translator" but all I could find was Google Croatian translator. I don't mean to offend any Croatians but is that perhaps what you used? I'm confused...

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7hx8fywb0qesapc/dUMUlDgVC1#/

Have some screenies

EDIT: Oops. I forgot this is supposed to go in non-spring random WIP. My bad.

Thanks Looks great! I think it's not to dark or chaotic, yet still giving a dark and chaotic vibe. (Although I must say it's not as "totally on some far-out alien planet" as I had expected. )

Remaining ARM Buildings (minus factories)

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sidenote: Atm I've got 2 floating flak turrets. (3rd row from the top, 2 most left models) One looks like cremuss land equivalent. The other looks like the flak turrets fitted on the ships. Haven't made my mind up yet.

Have you considerd some small animating pieces to the buildings?
IMO buildings with moving stuff like windmill or glowing sphere of CORE Fusion help make the game look alive, compared to "I am a block that sits there"-ARM Fusion. Wouldnt mind seeing more of that, spinning fans, clacking valves, pumping exhausts etc.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7pjkJTx10A
Do not know original creator of model+script atm sorry.

knorke wrote:Have you considerd some small animating pieces to the buildings?
IMO buildings with moving stuff like windmill or glowing sphere of CORE Fusion help make the game look alive, compared to "I am a block that sits there"-ARM Fusion. Wouldnt mind seeing more of that, spinning fans, clacking valves, pumping exhausts etc.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7pjkJTx10A
Do not know original creator of model+script atm sorry.

that would be so awesome on a recycle building, that had a radius of operation to some bots, you gave me a nice idea for my unity3d game

I should have made a list which one is which so no misunderstandings arise. Not really sober but here goes, from memory :

First row left to right
UnderWater moho mex
UW moho metal maker
UW hard E storage
UW hard M storage
UW mex
Cremuss' mex
Cloakable fusion (maybe)

2nd row
UW fusion
Tidal Genarator
Floating matal maker
Fl. radar
Sonar station
Adv. Sonar station

3rd row
Cremuss' Fl. flak
Alt. Fl. flak
Adv. Torpedo launcher
Torpedo launcher
Fl. Targeting Facility
Fl. mine

4th row
Anti Air tower
Fl. AA tower
Fl. HLT
HLT
Fl. Nano Turret
Nano Turret

Not a 100% sure about the metal makers but, apart from the UW hard M storage all these units have moving parts. Also they mostly look like this because a lot of them are derivatives of a cremuss model. That made modelling go a lot faster while straying less from the current common style.

well they look great, but i feel they lack a shadowish overlay. And as knorke said adding iddle animations to buildings is a must.

If i were you, i would put them ingame and make some test games with them.

great work so far

scifi wrote:shadowish overlay

clarify the obscure made up term please?

clarify the obscure made up term please?

telepath mode on: "aoplate"

smoth wrote:

scifi wrote:shadowish overlay

clarify the obscure made up term please?

hahahahaha xD

Well they lack for example an ambient oclusion bake, or if you dont want ambient oclusion, just bake a ligth source into the texture.

scifi wrote:Well they lack for example an ambient occlusion bake, or if you dont want ambient occlusion, just bake a ligth source into the texture.

Thanks. That doesn't work with an atlas the way they are using them, any prebaked shadows will present issues with a proper atlas. Not that it matters, these are still 100X better than the stolen content people so violently defend. you need in engine lighting like ao for that. bob had some good comparison shots in the ut engine a while back but yeah, he deleted the before shader shot, otherwise I would repost that.

there was some thread where a dev was fidgeting with giving us some sort ao but that died for reason I never really cared about. you could probably easliy dig it up in the forum still.. it was <3 years ago

FireStorm, you are mind bogglingly amazing. Ill get back from vacation next week and I'll start adding them ingame!

It is a shot from wings3D. That means no glow, no specular, no reflections, no shadows, and no AO plates. All of those will be in the game, and more.

smoth, screen-space ambient occlusion is quite expensive and difficult to make look good anyway.

Beherith wrote:smoth, screen-space ambient occlusion is quite expensive and difficult to make look good anyway.

how so? it is 2013... I have it all over the place in borderlands etc? is it another issue with the spring GL pipeline? or just the sheer potential number of things in spring?

At spring's general zoom level, things are tiny and there are vast expanses of empty terrain and small areas with relatively high detail units in it. This means that SSAO has to be done at 1:1 scale, which is pricey. It is still definitely on my list of things to experiment with though.

at the very least just doing it around large objects, that way you can have detailed ground decals :_)

Geothermal Powerplant WIP

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So, I was investigating the current ARM Geothermal Powerplant for BAR and I noticed we share the model with Zero-K. And what's worse: It doesn't have any moving parts!!! Disgraceful, I thought to myself , so I made this to work on next.

Beherith wrote:Ill get back from vacation next week and I'll start adding them ingame!

You're awesome. Can't wait

100% chili btw

corresponding commit (didn't commit chili loadscreen, cause I am unsure to commit chili to basecontent, so only more basic examples are included):
https://github.com/spring/spring/commit ... a14ade548c

smoth wrote:

scifi wrote:Well they lack for example an ambient occlusion bake, or if you dont want ambient occlusion, just bake a ligth source into the texture.

Thanks. That doesn't work with an atlas the way they are using them, any prebaked shadows will present issues with a proper atlas. Not that it matters, these are still 100X better than the stolen content people so violently defend. you need in engine lighting like ao for that. bob had some good comparison shots in the ut engine a while back but yeah, he deleted the before shader shot, otherwise I would repost that.

there was some thread where a dev was fidgeting with giving us some sort ao but that died for reason I never really cared about. you could probably easliy dig it up in the forum still.. it was <3 years ago

While baked AO (per unit and on the unit) is essentially impossible without secondary UVs (which no one in their right mind would want,) I don't think it needs SSAO either.

If you'll allow me to jump back onto my little soap box for a minute, highly contrasted lighting is very useful here. Very dark shadows and bright /bright/ direct light that is tinted to the color of the sky/sun would clear up the issue. This in combination with a ground plate AO decal would effectively solve all of your problemos.



There's no AO in that pic, its just /very/ subtle ambient/environment light, and then some pretty intense tinted direct light. There's also no spec, emiss, normal maps, or post-p (bloom, etc) on it either. (All of which would also help a lot.)

Pretty much any of Beherith's maps do this pretty well. It also helps if the sun/light source is tilted pretty far down to get those really long shadows.

When me and Pyra were originally going over how the texture would work, we decided that the gray (non-team colored) portions should be essentially completely desaturated to allow for light tinting.

yeah, problem is 90% of the spring maps have shit lighting.