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Not now Peet, maybe later. We are still trying to figure out this:

XTA was established as a Democracy by SJ. It was a long...
Is the community failing at democracy? Some would say so.
Not the community tho, since democracy is just about consent.
A forum where we just add +1 to arguments would be just...
Democracy is the best system. Only the good...

The_Big_Boss wrote:Not now Peet, maybe later. We are still trying to figure out this:

Only you are trying.

I think Peet asked a good question, indeed Im curious too to see your feeling about XTA life.


Seems another good question was this one :

pintle wrote:So can we presume that you have fuck-all intention of responding to the players about their concerns?

Still waiting the clear answer. Yes/No would be enought.

boss learnt to play in the 8.1-->9.1 transition area, I remember playing with him on tournament desert back when he were 3 rank and i was four (for seemingly ever)

K Boss if you want to say stuff like that.


XTA IS NOT NOR HAS IT EVER BEEN YOUR OR NORUAS MOD. YOU DID NOT MAKE IT YOU DO NOT DESERVE CREATIVE CONTROL OVER IT.

lul i wuz heer first

Im with Pintle all the way. If its a democracy I want a vote. Now. Say aye if you want to get rid of the minesweeperbot.

Aye.

!voteboss Hoi
!vote 1

all vote 1!

!vote 1 hoi

SJ didnt establish anything when he left, the XTA project was simply abandoned due to lack of time.

The XTA community tiself picked it up and maintained it in an open manner until noruas was assigned person in charge and gizmo in charge of releases. I am unsure of what happened after that point as I didnt not pay enough attention

i dont know what shit you guys are talking about democracy and that but the dev has to pay attention to the players and if he goes away and fucks up the mod then hes not going to stay in control.
if thangs dont improve by next version im down with any democratic or at least intelligent fork that appears

This is why i dont respond to you anymore IK, just go back star wars imperial winter and make ur damn fork of xta vs star wars imperial winter ok?

I have always followed a system of arguments, of cause and effect in xta balance. the people that used to play xta, that are no longer here, has set a standard for me to follow, now that these people are gone, now the new majority wish to change the mod and the direction it was going. They are inadvertently spreading the idea, that xta has always been about consent, a system of plus ones a vote by each xta player without a system of tests, to see if the vote is healthy, or contradictory to the changes already made, therefore there is no safety against the tyranny of the majority. Xta is not obliquargy or whatever the hell it is, because no one is sharing the end decisions with me. However i have spent of hours and hours talking about balance to certain players in xta. I know what I am doing, but i do make mistakes, and I do not appreciate the personal attacks, the idea i have a secret agenda against certain people, and the idea that just because i disagree, means i'm not listening. Whenever there has been consent, and it has been passed, its coincidence, it just so happen that i thought it was a good idea. It disturbs me that not only with this system consent, where peoples opinion is a +1, that invisible people I may or may not have had contact with, has power over this mods direction. Therefore if you wish, for an xta based on the consent of players, never ever let the BA players join, and good luck with your fork. I have very little patience for you guys constantly stabbed, hugged, and then stabbed again. So when you hug me, Please remember i am still bleeding from the last time you stabbed me.

pintle wrote:K Boss if you want to say stuff like that.


XTA IS NOT NOR HAS IT EVER BEEN YOUR OR NORUAS MOD. YOU DID NOT MAKE IT YOU DO NOT DESERVE CREATIVE CONTROL OVER IT.

did you read those "make your own fork" comments from before? they seem to fit.

Whatever noruas has been doing, and hell if I know, he has been modding, someone has to for there to be a mod, so take the sword out of the rock and be king XTA or something.

It is amazing how my character is attacked. I see this as an cold equation. Democracy was never set up, there is no charter, so u cant bitch and complain on the Dev for behavior you previously rewarded. Simple as that. Prove me wrong, no problem.

boss learnt to play in the 8.1-->9.1 transition area, I remember playing with him on tournament desert back when he were 3 rank and i was four (for seemingly ever)

Actually I was playing before 8.1. I learned to play under Knox. But thats besides the point.

Are we having fun yet or what?

Edit:
Wow this is the most attention xta has had in years.

I dont aim to make personal attacks at you _At_all_ Noruas.

You may have asked a certain clique of players about some of the changes, but the majority of the people I play with regularly feel as though they are being completely ignored.

You have to accept that your current balancing and testing model failed, you released a version where you could dgun a commander and live, then released another version with the same bug (or "feature" if you think that kinda thing adds depth).

As i stated earlier in the thread, had you made xta from the ground up, i would accept such moronic posts as, to paraphrase "lol not a democracy".

@Machio: If there is a fork, I am vehement it should be the version full of loltastic unintuitive units, and rps counters (minebots), spammy nanotowers, broken com morphing, etc etc, as this is a radical break from what XTA has been for literally years. The name "XTA" should be reserved for a mod that plays like XTA. This whole debacle started when the regular players (the ones who didnt leave) took a stand and said "wtf have you done to our mod?".

Noruas wrote:However i have spent of hours and hours talking about balance to certain players in xta.

who

Peet wrote:Boss, could you post a general timeline of XTA's existence? I'd like to see what your conception of it is.

Still waiting on this, it will reveal a lot about the situation.

and I agree exactly with what pintle said above.
its not a personal attack, its taking a good hard look at the changes and deciding they are not upto scratch.

and yeah, the "BB persona" talks alot of shit

1v0ry_k1ng wrote:

Noruas wrote:However i have spent of hours and hours talking about balance to certain players in xta.

who

would love to know this myself

The_Big_Boss wrote:It is amazing how my character is attacked. I see this as an cold equation.

It's not amazing. All this thread (like all the thread you posted in the old xta forum) just go out of the road cause of your posts. That's all. You just like argue about nothing. Remember : this one started to go bad when you decided to argue about the xta forum rule. Interesting point indeed.

So you just deserve it.

And the result of all this shit, is that Noruas get blamed for some of his lack of communication maybe, but mainly cause you just make us angry. Afterall maybe it is wat you want to happend.

pintle wrote:

1v0ry_k1ng wrote:

Noruas wrote:However i have spent of hours and hours talking about balance to certain players in xta.

who

would love to know this myself

I know only 3 who are against changeing XTA and at least RoX and CoW clans are in favour.

The funny thing is that Noraus told that some players want to send XTA somewhere that donnot fit with the "initial contract" of XTA. But tbh I think roxians gather a majority of "conservative" players that mainly don't like the last addition like nano towerz, minesclearers and morphed comm. So what?
Who are these playerz that wanna change the mod?

Peet wrote:
Boss, could you post a general timeline of XTA's existence? I'd like to see what your conception of it is.

Still waiting on this, it will reveal a lot about the situation.

I asked nor to do a check in the message boards for sources. But from what i've seen its a little ambiguous atm. I really dont want the 'take my word for it' approach. So something that speaks of the time line will be posted when nor has his stuff.

And AF. SJ made all the end decisions, i don't believe that qualifies for a oligarchy. I dont want to argue over if it qualifies, just the point that in xta he made the end decisions.