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Posted: 06 Jun 2007, 17:13
by AF
Increase threshold percentage is a boolean. If true then the value of the other tag is a number between (0%)0 and 1(100%) or higher, aka NTai does threshold*tagvalue.
If the tag is equal to 0, then the calculation changes to Threshold+tagvalue.
And yes, at the moment the attack routine system is seperate from the tasklist system. The two will interfere with eachother. Attackers can have tasklists, that restriction was removed.
Posted: 06 Jun 2007, 18:05
by 1v0ry_k1ng
explain that in idiot language?
Posted: 06 Jun 2007, 18:58
by lale
Warning! - Posting interpretation of others post, is per definition a bad idea
AF wrote:Increase threshold percentage is a boolean. If true then the value of the other tag is a number between (0%)0 and 1(100%) or higher, aka NTai does threshold*tagvalue.
If the tag is equal to 0, then the calculation changes to Threshold+tagvalue.
With initial_threat_value =10: (not tested)
Increase threshold percentage =0
And
Increase threshold value =10 (aka add 10 units per attack)
- Attack #1 10 units
Attack #2 20 units
Attack #3 30 units
Attack #9 100 units
Increase threshold percentage =1
And
Increase threshold value =0.10 (aka 10 percent)
- Attack #1 10 units
Attack #2 11 units
Attack #3 12 units
Attack #9 24 units (Assuming no round off)
AF wrote:
And yes, at the moment the attack routine system is seperate from the tasklist system. The two will interfere with eachother. Attackers can have tasklists, that restriction was removed.
And since tasklists takes precedence over attack routine
:
An attacker with construction abilities (aka builder=1 in fbi file) without a tasklist will do nothing, due to missing tasklist?
Also, adding a tasklist for attacker with keywords like b_na or b_idle will NOT make unit join attack group?
The above does let a construction unit carry arms, to defend it self. (This works fine!)
- Anyway, since NTAI doesn├óÔé¼Ôäót do enemy-mex hunting (unless IK has success in his attempts) this might not have solved anything.
Posted: 06 Jun 2007, 18:59
by 1v0ry_k1ng
initial_threat_value=2;
increase_threshold_value=10;
increase_threshold_percentage=0;
also did nothing
Posted: 06 Jun 2007, 19:21
by 1v0ry_k1ng
also, what you posted did nothing
do the tags need to be in a praticular place/praticular order?
Posted: 06 Jun 2007, 19:21
by lale
Think your right IK, I'm missing a piece in the puzzle.
AK says:
threshold*tagvalue
if tagvalue is increase_threshold_value, what then is threshold?
I assumed it was a lower limit for which NTAI makes an attack group. aka for the first group: initial_threat_value. But this might be wrong
Tags should be in AI section of config file, along with inital_threat_value. (Order in AI section should be unimportant)
*lale left for testing...
Posted: 06 Jun 2007, 21:05
by AF
If a unit has tasklist it will follow it.
Not units that ahve builder=1; in fbi
Not untis that arent atatckers
Any unit. If you assign a unit a tasklist it will attempt to follow it regardless of what that unit is, even if its a wind generator.
B_NA and b_idle dont do anything, b_na is an error return value in XE9.7+ and is ignored. b_idle is the same.
The attack systema nd the task system are two different systems. You cant make them interact as you say. If an attack unit building a mex and an enemy comes near it the unit will go and attack leaving the mex half built, then when done itll get a unit idle and the next task will occur.
The best I can say is to fill the attack units task lists with lots of b_repair style stuff around the things it builds aswell as b_offensive_repair.
Posted: 06 Jun 2007, 21:06
by AF
And ye there are 3 tags for attack group size.
one controls the initial value
one controls the magnitude of its increase
one controls how that magnitude is itnerpreted (%? or +?)
Posted: 06 Jun 2007, 22:01
by 1v0ry_k1ng
yes, what are the tags to i can test them in the config?
Posted: 06 Jun 2007, 22:10
by AF
chaser.cpp Init() wrote:G->Get_mod_tdf()->GetDef(threshold,"5", "AI\\initial_threat_value");
G->Get_mod_tdf()->GetDef(thresh_increase,"1","AI\\increase_threshold_value");
G->Get_mod_tdf()->GetDef(thresh_percentage_incr,"0","AI\\increase_threshold_percentage");
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[AI]
{
initial_threat_value=5; // Attack group number 1 has 5 units
increase_threshold_value=1; // increase by 1 unit each attack
increase_threshold_percentage=0; // above value isnt a percentage
}
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if(thresh_percentage_incr){
threshold *= thresh_increase;
}else{
threshold += thresh_increase;
}
G->L << "new threshold :: "<< threshold<<"\n";
Posted: 06 Jun 2007, 23:57
by 1v0ry_k1ng
dosnt work.
Posted: 07 Jun 2007, 00:05
by AF
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G->L << "new threshold :: "<< threshold<<"\n";
Thats a log statement. Look in your logs and show me these values. It doesnt work just isnt helpful.
Posted: 07 Jun 2007, 09:35
by 1v0ry_k1ng
ok sorry ill check
Posted: 07 Jun 2007, 19:19
by lale
With
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[AI]
{
initial_threat_value=2;
increase_threshold_value=2;
increase_threshold_percentage=0;
Running above in a game for 1 hour, with over a thousand units generated.
The game resulted in a 40mega NTAI log file and:
No entries of "new threshold", "threshold" or just "thres****" made in the NTAI log file.
Either I'm doing something really wrong (The game does send groups of 2 units into attack, but no group of 4)
Or this part of the NTAI og log-system isn't working.
Posted: 07 Jun 2007, 23:35
by AF
It turns out I made a mistake and attack group sizes where never getting larger at all. I'll make a release tomorrow with a few other tags.
Posted: 08 Jun 2007, 10:41
by chillaaa
Hi AF,
I've been farting around with a basic NTAI config for NOTA while i'm on holidays. I've found that as core it likes to try and build a shipyard as its factory with the b_factory. See the following log
http://chillaaa.homeip.net/swta/NOTAcoreAI.txt.
The only way i've changed it to work is to make a new task list specifying the core kbot lab, but that is obviously not ideal.
Thanks in advance.
Posted: 08 Jun 2007, 10:47
by AF
Perhaps 3 tasklists with each referencing one factory? One air one vehicle one kbot?
Posted: 08 Jun 2007, 13:47
by chillaaa
Cool, I'll try that.. I just had a go with an ARM AI and it does the same so i'll try it.
Thanks again
Posted: 08 Jun 2007, 14:56
by AF
Toolkit 0.26b
Adds the attack group increment entries, and geothermal build algorithm controls.
Posted: 08 Jun 2007, 14:59
by AF