Spring RTS Engine

These tasks cannot be completed in a day, or 5 or even a month
I'll end with this... Be patient.

It is not about days or months, we are already talking about years.
That is how long these profiles have been in this state.
And the problem is that these half-built ruins do not have your name on it, they carry spring's name.

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How plausible is to automate an SpringInfo -> ModDB uplink?

Well, at the moment the uplink goes ModDB->SpringInfo.
So....

SpringInfo wont pull in content it's already got else we'd have thousands of duplicate items

The job doesn't need to be years or months or even days, I setup a tumblr several hours ago, and it's now completely automated and upto date, including official artwork etc

http://springrts.tumblr.com/

You can now reblog any spring news and favourite it onto your own Tumblr. Sadly the only new thing since then has been my publishing of a Journeywar video

knorke wrote:

These tasks cannot be completed in a day, or 5 or even a month
I'll end with this... Be patient.

It is not about days or months, we are already talking about years.
That is how long these profiles have been in this state.
And the problem is that these half-built ruins do not have your name on it, they carry spring's name.

I have been working on something for spring that is pretty big and has been more or less done but in limbo for many months and completely out of my control.

If things happened on my schedule, stuff would have been done 7 years ago, spring is a big pipe with a lot of valves in the process. Things take time, and while that frustrates me to no end, I am powerless over it, so I, like you, must be patient, and butt-madding it up all over the internet isn't going to help anything . It's just going to upset the people working to make things happen.

@picasso, thanks for that, and true, but you'd be surprised how much a properly motivated forb or smoth can do in a relatively small time period

It's only semi-relevant, but almost every week on Saturday morning I am usually up till 5am working to get evo ready for the next get-together which means that most of the time I'm running on 2 or 3 hours of sleep and then host a sometimes up to 5 hr event where I am talking and streaming the whole time. It's rather draining (games are on youtube! /shamelessplug).

That said, we usually have a LOT of fun, and that in and of itself makes the whole ordeal worth it. When other people are playing your game and having a good time with it? That counts as a win :-D

The reason what Knorke says gets to me is that basically he's acting like a machinegun of shitslinging right now. Some of what he says has merit, but in most areas, he doesn't really know what he is talking about, nor does he know the intricacies involved. Moreover, he continually refuses to accept any explanations given to him, he doesn't work to help solve the problem, and just keeps butt-madding about it. That doesn't help anyone.

Imo, if you're going to hot-blooded man-tears about something, then at least try to be helpful in the process. Smoth tried to reason with him but illogic and buttraeg was the response he received, so smoth said "fuckit".

Things will be better soon guys... Just be patient.

Ehh, I'm going to stop engaging on this topic though. I don't see that there is anything to gain by participating in it further.

Forboding Angel wrote:If things happened on my schedule, stuff would have been done 7 years ago

Forboding Angel wrote:Things will be better soon guys... Just be patient.

Ok, I'll just wait seven more years. No big deal if things remains in a painfully broken state meanwhile, I guess? What's seven years in a video game's life anyway.


It's also tragicomic how you keep steering toward "we'll fix things eventually", while knorke's point was about limiting the amount of things to fix, not fixing them.

@Forb

stfu = shut the *** up

I'm not as ignorant as you might want to believe.
I asked because I wanted to help you refraining from using such language. I'm surprised you did not get that.

Also I think you are lucky you haven't been reprimanded for such language and are now abusing the spacial status you seem to have acquired because of that. (And I think the same goes for smoth)

I heard what I thought was a interesting statement regarding discussion and debate yesterday. Freely translated it goes: "One who throws mud, loses ground." You may want to think about that.

Also:

In this case.

I did not ask that. It seems to me you switch from general statements to this specific case when it suits you.

Counter-Productive is not offering to help the situation.

So offering something is producing something? That doesn't sound right to me.

In most cases in spring, you have 1 or 2 guys taking on monumental tasks. These tasks cannot be completed in a day, or 5 or even a month

So "1 or 2 guys" refers to you right? If you know it takes time you don't have, why start it in the first place?

you can whine

Who? me?

Be patient.

I think I see prove that that hasn't worked well in the past. Why should it in the future?

but I can't clone myself, smoth can't clone himself, and neither can anyone else here clone themselves.

That's why I try to do one-man jobs, but it seems to me you're overestimating yourself in how much you can do, and then blame others that they don't give you enough time. I might be wrong but it seems that way to me.

It would be similar to me coming in the BAR forum

Sorry, but this looks like the SpringRTS-Engine forum to me.
I think you are naming BAR because I help making BAR, correct?
Can I conclude from that, that you are working on the SpringRTS-Engine?

I make 3D models for Behe, who uses these for BAR.
Can you be specific about what you do?

lastly:
Why do you often refer to what smoth said? Can't he talk for himself?
I ask because I feel statements from the both of you often contradict each other.

3D models that rarely make it on to SpringInfo and by conjunction tumblr Facebook and twitter, potentially Google+ in future.

It seems Mr Firestorm that we need to have words ;]

@AF
Well, I made 2,5 (untextured) models this week.
I have mixed feelings which motivate me: I like modelling BAR units, but on the other hand, I want to be done with it already.

If I keep working like I do now, I hope all the BAR models will finally be done soon. I suppose that would be news when it happens.

Though, I think Behe will be the one who releases the 'final' product so to speak. (And I think he's quite good in making teaser-screenshots) I imagine Behe or the BAR team will call upon the community in some way when they feel BAR is ready for promotion.

I suppose that would be news when it happens.

Considering the average attention span of a twenty-first century internet user, in the end run if you make a model a day, it's publish or perish, what can i say!

You win more potential users and fans if you publish WIPs often.

In the days of rampant 9-gag, you publish as often as you can, or the SMM zombies out-zombie you.

+1 if there is interest in a means of simply drag and dropping a file and uploading it with a title and publishing fast then I can pull from that

Tumblr may be enough to do that well, faster than doing it from the forums anyway

Sorry for my late response: had to run some errants.
I think I'd rather work on a model than make a picture of it. And when my share of the workload is done might not mean BAR is done/ready.

But I'll make a nice screenshot of the next model I finish, just in case.

Something I forgot tao ask about the turnblogger page though:
What if a potential player visits that page, and then wants to play one of the games it sees, how would this person (possibly with a twenty-first century attention span) quickly reach a location that will facilitate this?

Shouldn't http://springrts.com/wiki/Games or a link to a specifc-game-site be a few clicks away? Or am I geeting ahead of things?

In any case: I'm going to prioritise modeling because I kinda think i'ts best to promote something that is actually playable for the avarage user.

I think we should also diffrentiate between news (which Forb and Smoth generate en mass and great quality) and news-distribution (which is meeeh at best as knorke pointed out)... sorry to say it here, but this needs to be centrailised. This needs one source to find them all and into dorkness bind them.

Also.. springinfo does what it does well.. though it could use more random wip threads and smoths workinprogress... and there just the pictures..

Yeah all the journeywar stuff is a bit much, perhaps we should remove it, great idea Picasso =]

Indeed.

Considering I was up most of the night with a lovely migraine, I don't think I am going to reply and I won't reply in the near future either. I will do things the way I always have.

From what I can tell knorke's real issue is sites like:

http://aronzak.wordpress.com/tag/ta-spring/

which are somewhat random blurbs out there.

I don't see anything but frustration working with knorke as this thread and the past have proven neither one of us can stand each other for long periods of time. I don't mean this as a negative reflection of him, maybe we just never will get along. There are people like that I know in real life, no one is right or wrong but they cannot get along.

which means this whole his trying to coordinate the community should not include me and hopefully I can go about my merry way doing what I want.

as far as moddb, forbs tournament post was posted to EVO and to the spring page. I could post a new news post noting a newer version of spring. However, the moment a new version of spring comes out he will start this whole cycle over again. The page will HOPEFULLY block all future user news posts from being posted there as I have blocked the users from being able to post to it. However, I am not sure that will stop all these jagg offs like the steampunk mod guy from posting 8-9 versions of their project that they let die within 2 months.

I am not going to do anything so don't bother replying knorke, it was a circular argument, you want the page to be a link to the site instead of a profile. MODDB does not allow for that to happen. There has to be an engine profile.

Yes I could go create a game profile for ever project. I don't want to. You may want to, go ahead. Go create a profile for all the projects that are vaporware within a few months. In before gundam is dead, yep it is, I didn't want to but the world changed and force my hand. You will not get any further data from me on it other than I feel it shows what 1 determined person can do on this site! I don't see the point of creating a profile for all game projects, it isn't like the forum where i can create a project graveyard. Gundam is ARCHIVED, at least unlike the other people who created their vaporware projects, I archived mine.

None of this post should be read in an angry tone but of course you lot always do read my posts in an angry tone! Maybe i am just frequently in pain? maybe i am stressed about all the other stuff going on in my life. However, I did show up here and WAS willing to help. Not any more but I was. I am not going to debate any of the points knorke said as it will just be a long debate wasting more of my time, time I would rather spend getting new features in my next project done.

Every time I get sucked into these debates I loose more time, time I could spend working on things to make my project better. So it isn't that I don't see any value in what knorke is trying to do. I do, I just don't see it getting done between the 2 of us. Do I feel that validates his point about pages fall into an unmaintained state? No, just because i have not posted to the spring TD page does not mean the project is dead.

Just because the gundam page is archived doesn't mean it's history is worthless to the rest of my projects. It doesn't mean the project page(on moddb) has no worth to me, because it has worth to me, I keep it. What if bandai(a very unlikely thing) puts out their policy towards fan works granting a permission for non-commercial projects? I would certainly start the project up again. So it is worthwhile to keep it around.

Not up for debate, not debating. Putting in a closing statement to all of the above posts. I am not interested in debating any point in this thread.

So its basically emotional cool down time for burried projects - just good things on the dead.

Just because i run a business and have customers all days, doesent mean i need one of those fancy redirecting answerings machines, when im aways. Surely they will check later.

Since I'm in control of nearly every official social media property now except linkedin G+ and moddb, I see no issue with Smoths stance.

If someone wants to volunteer to actively post to moddb take it up with Smoth, in the meantime i have a linkedin group to create and an armada of ships to retake Google+ to build

I still dont get it why its such heresy to mention that something is not very well executed (old news on a page).
I discussed jw with some friends in a tarvern the other night, and a friend proofed me (without playing it) that one unit was utterly useless.
And i raged all night long on about it? Calling him names. Feeling insulted by his logic observation?
No.
Shit happens.
Calling it out is helping.
Willing to work, or suggesting safeguards (news older then a month- link to springinfo or springrts.com) is helping.
Calling shit unexpected, is to be ignorant of the nature of humanity and ones own limits.

I have troubles updating one thread for nirvanas sake. I want proof you locked a shanghaid PR-Department into your basement, before this thread is over.

I do not care about profiles of any games.
I do not care what you post there or how long you worked on them.
This is clearly only about profiles for the engine.
Smoths post about gundam or other project was just off topic.
Forboding ranting post about his game was not even "semi-relevant" to topic either.

smoth wrote:Yes I could go create a game profile for ever project. I don't want to. You may want to, go ahead. Go create a profile for all the projects that are vaporware within a few months

Did I suggest to do that?
No.
Things like this make me suspect like you did not read or understand anything in this thread.

you want the page to be a link to the site instead of a profile. MODDB does not allow for that to happen. There has to be an engine profile.

Just that the profile has links to springrts.com in all possible places. Not a redirect.

smoth wrote:I could post a new news post noting a newer version of spring. However, the moment a new version of spring comes out he will start this whole cycle over again.

And rightfully so.
So if you do not want to maintain the site, then make one last post that the site will no longer be maintained and for further info one should lookt at spring homepage.

Or wait, I will do it myself. Otherwise I just have to type 5134 words again to explain anytihng to smallest detail like it was with the link and the other note.
So just give me the keys.

http://www.moddb.com/members/knorke

Your empty moddb profile is particularly devoid of all knorkian things.

It should be noted SpringInfo integration with Moddb isn't feasible at the moment without writing code to login and post manually, which I could do but it's such a pain. Thanks go to Anarchid for doing the research and getting back to me =)

smoth wrote: I don't see anything but frustration working with knorke as this thread and the past have proven neither one of us can stand each other for long periods of time. I don't mean this as a negative reflection of him, maybe we just never will get along. There are people like that I know in real life, no one is right or wrong but they cannot get along.

which means this whole his trying to coordinate the community should not include me and hopefully I can go about my merry way doing what I want.

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I am not going to do anything so don't bother replying knorke

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Not up for debate, not debating. Putting in a closing statement to all of the above posts. I am not interested in debating any point in this thread.

yawn