Spring RTS Engine

I am definitely zerg first than terran than protoss.
I always prefer the biological/space roaches side.
This preferance is purely visual since i never even played sc online.

I dislike how protoss look in sc2...a lot of their units feel hollow as oppsoe to the plup look they had in sc1.
Terrans have a nice heavy feel to them but i still prefer the insects.

So, that pritty much ended a tiring "discussion" i hope.

[quote]And its not some fucking crap that with more streamlined interface you could "concentrate more on strategy" or just sit back and manage your base or whatever. You always have to focus on micro, macro, strategy, all aspects of the game it just veries from game to game and between different players too, how you balance those for best results.[/quote]

lol

95% of a proffesional starcraft players ability is to compensate for the unfriendly interface. I could probably beat a v high level SC pro if I had the ability to line draw formations, zoom out to see the whole map, select more than 12 units at once, and he had the default interface. you know why? because I would be able to perform the actions I thought strategically and tacticly optimal with extreme ease, while to do so himself he would have to perform a huge quantity of menial micromanagement.

micromanagement is a consequence of poor interface. making a players ability to rapidly keypress and scroll into a resource is shitty.

1v0ry_k1ng wrote:

So, that pritty much ended a tiring "discussion" i hope.

[quote]And its not some fucking crap that with more streamlined interface you could "concentrate more on strategy" or just sit back and manage your base or whatever. You always have to focus on micro, macro, strategy, all aspects of the game it just veries from game to game and between different players too, how you balance those for best results.

lol

95% of a proffesional starcraft players ability is to compensate for the unfriendly interface. I could probably beat a v high level SC pro if I had the ability to line draw formations, zoom out to see the whole map, select more than 12 units at once, and he had the default interface. you know why? because I would be able to perform the actions I thought strategically and tacticly optimal with extreme ease, while to do so himself he would have to perform a huge quantity of menial micromanagement.

micromanagement is a consequence of poor interface. making a players ability to rapidly keypress and scroll into a resource is shitty.[/quote]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c

1v0ry_k1ng wrote:

So, that pritty much ended a tiring "discussion" i hope.

[quote]And its not some fucking crap that with more streamlined interface you could "concentrate more on strategy" or just sit back and manage your base or whatever. You always have to focus on micro, macro, strategy, all aspects of the game it just veries from game to game and between different players too, how you balance those for best results.

lol

95% of a proffesional starcraft players ability is to compensate for the unfriendly interface. I could probably beat a v high level SC pro if I had the ability to line draw formations, zoom out to see the whole map, select more than 12 units at once, and he had the default interface. you know why? because I would be able to perform the actions I thought strategically and tacticly optimal with extreme ease, while to do so himself he would have to perform a huge quantity of menial micromanagement.

micromanagement is a consequence of poor interface. making a players ability to rapidly keypress and scroll into a resource is shitty.[/quote]

no wonder why you never got good

Sleksa wrote:

1v0ry_k1ng wrote:

So, that pritty much ended a tiring "discussion" i hope.

[quote]And its not some fucking crap that with more streamlined interface you could "concentrate more on strategy" or just sit back and manage your base or whatever. You always have to focus on micro, macro, strategy, all aspects of the game it just veries from game to game and between different players too, how you balance those for best results.

lol

95% of a proffesional starcraft players ability is to compensate for the unfriendly interface. I could probably beat a v high level SC pro if I had the ability to line draw formations, zoom out to see the whole map, select more than 12 units at once, and he had the default interface. you know why? because I would be able to perform the actions I thought strategically and tacticly optimal with extreme ease, while to do so himself he would have to perform a huge quantity of menial micromanagement.

micromanagement is a consequence of poor interface. making a players ability to rapidly keypress and scroll into a resource is shitty.

no wonder why you never got good[/quote]

I rate IK way higher than you ever where as I have seen you both playing Spring (Mostly XTA 1v1, a lil SWIW). I 100% agree with his argument vis a vis UI optimisation/automation.

The "sweet spot" between extreme automation and intensive micro is a subjective opinion, just like the dps/hp/bt relationship in TA derivatives.

He makes a valid point though. A lot of the micro that is expected and required in SC is very menial and should be much more simplified. Simple things like advanced queue's, proper patrol orders, line formations, zoom.

The lack of all these no-brainer features makes every unit require constant babysitting, when they should only need occasional updates to tasks. The only time 'micro' should really be required is moving several units all different places on a battle field, moving to an advantageous position, dodging shots, etc. And even a large portion of that could be done in bulk with line formations.


But yes this is a very circular argument, I don't even know why I'm still talking about it. It's not like anything is going to change. Although, Soul, your absurd defense of the lack of zoom because it 'forces micro' is still retarded.

Sleksa wrote: no wonder why you never got good

haha bro

1v0ry_k1ng wrote:

Sleksa wrote: no wonder why you never got good

haha bro

yeah i still got that magic troll wand on my pocket, and i aint afraid to use it ---~

Sleksa wrote:---~

but i am like a fighter jet made of biceps

to the rescue

They implemented an ai into some maps and these maps you can start with the lazytown loader.

How good the AI is I cant tell but it seems to work, so now you have skirmish mode.
Im playing it later today.

Machete234 wrote:They implemented an ai into some maps and these maps you can start with the lazytown loader.

How good the AI is I cant tell but it seems to work, so now you have skirmish mode.
Im playing it later today.

Link to ai crack?

1v0ry_k1ng wrote:

So, that pritty much ended a tiring "discussion" i hope.

[quote]And its not some fucking crap that with more streamlined interface you could "concentrate more on strategy" or just sit back and manage your base or whatever. You always have to focus on micro, macro, strategy, all aspects of the game it just veries from game to game and between different players too, how you balance those for best results.

lol

95% of a proffesional starcraft players ability is to compensate for the unfriendly interface. I could probably beat a v high level SC pro if I had the ability to line draw formations, zoom out to see the whole map, select more than 12 units at once, and he had the default interface. you know why? because I would be able to perform the actions I thought strategically and tacticly optimal with extreme ease, while to do so himself he would have to perform a huge quantity of menial micromanagement.

micromanagement is a consequence of poor interface. making a players ability to rapidly keypress and scroll into a resource is shitty.[/quote]
Maybe start with doing strategically and tacticly optimal plays in Spring first where you have all that cool shit.

Seems like RoX players dont understand rts

seems like you just lost an argument on the internet

Seems like there are no winners here, only whiners and wankers - oh, and me with my wicked witchery.

Gota wrote:

Machete234 wrote:They implemented an ai into some maps and these maps you can start with the lazytown loader.

How good the AI is I cant tell but it seems to work, so now you have skirmish mode.
Im playing it later today.

Link to ai crack?

That should be it.
http://botdev.org/doku.php?id=start

You need the lazyloader and with it you open the ai maps

JohannesH wrote:Seems like RoX players dont understand rts

That why members of our clan help balance several spring mods, and one of them is lead dev for the engine...

pintle wrote:

JohannesH wrote:Seems like RoX players dont understand rts

That why members of our clan help balance several spring mods, and one of them is lead dev for the engine...

bro, the first rule of the internet is you do not argue with idiots on the internet

1v0ry_k1ng wrote:

pintle wrote:

JohannesH wrote:Seems like RoX players dont understand rts

That why members of our clan help balance several spring mods, and one of them is lead dev for the engine...

bro, the first rule of the internet is you dont not argue with idiots on the internet

Its a thread about SC on the Spring boards mate. You notice I only popped up when the direct insults started... 5 years and you still dont see it