Battle for Planet XIV

[Forboding Angel]

Kinda starcrafty style. I wanted to see if this style of map would suit evo better.







http://springfiles.com/spring/spring-ma ... planet-xiv

[Google_Frog]

Looks nice. I like how the squareness of the platform layout is broken up by interesting platform shapes. Are the trees around the middle supposed to be massive? They really mess with my sense of scale. Also there is already a "Battle for Planet Number" map in circulation so you could cause confusion.

The ramp layout and thin edge platforms will make this map really choke point focused - perhaps even more so than Starcraft. I am thinking that this is quite an extreme example of chokepoints and that there should be plenty of room in the design space between this and commonly played maps.

The map edge could be significantly improved by causing it to disappear entirely.

• Make the map a true island map. Move or remove the few rock spires which touch the map edge.
• Change the undewater texture or sky such that they are the same colour.

[Anarchid]

Is that SME?

Also: featured for ZK, let's see how it plays.

[Orfelius]

Forb and his innovative naming of the maps
Battle for PlanetXVII or Battle for PlanetXIV Anybody?

Oh and also the map is... kinda interesting I suppose? I dislike the heavy focus on the ramps but considering that it was made for Evo I guess we will see how it will work out I guess.

[Forboding Angel]

I'm not sure why you think the ramps are small... it's a 16x16, the ramps are huge.

No, this was done with carrara. It uses blueprint, but in the name of performance forgoes the ssmf splats and normal maps.

Not all planets to be conquered have proper names. 17 is a dry desert rock. 19 is this weird mix of desert plateaus with lush valleys and weird algae everywhere because the lowlands are so humid.

• 1.
• Make the map a true island map. Move or remove the few rock spires which touch the map edge.
  2.
• Change the undewater texture or sky such that they are the same colour.

1. Not a terrible Idea, but it would require retexturing, which would be annoying but not... not-doable.

2. No thanks. I hate maps that do this. Map edges serve an important gameplay purpose, regardless of how silly that purpose may seem.

Keep in mind, evo has 4 primary tech paths and no pathing issues on any map. Lowpass was used so the pathfinder shouldn't choke on other games I wouldn't think.

In playtesting I think that this becomes mainly an all-terrain (obvious reasons)/air (ditto)/amphib (because evo amphibs are fast as hell) map. Going hovers means more of a steady push than a massive rollout, but it depends on whether you can take and holder the lower plateaus. In fact I would say that it's more important to build in the lower areas because they are ultimately easier to defend. Definitely a map you would want to use multiple techs on.

There is a method to this madness though. If these style of maps work well for evo, then I'm going to create a shitload of them as a special "ladder" map pack for evo. I'm tired of playing on randomly bad maps with inconsistent terrain.

If anyone would like to create a map using this style, here are the guidelines:

Highest plateau elevation is to be 255rgb, Mid elevation plateau is 175rgb, lowest is 100rgb. The entire play area should fit on an island and surrounded by water. If you want to create impassible areas the proper way to do it is to create crevasses which are filled with water. This ensures that all terrains will never willingly path into them. On maps where water is desired, 4 levels may be used. Ramps should be sufficiently wide so that an army will have no trouble getting down them.

Edges on the heightmap should be hard at first in 16bit png, and then blurred at 2px Gaussian blur. Additionally they should be compiled with the lowpass filter on if possible. This ensures a lot of soft edges with not only makes the edges of the cliffs look much nicer, it makes the pathfinder complain less for other spring games that are not evo.

Map heights are:
smf = {
minheight = -150,
maxheight = 300,
},

Example heightmap:



Thanks Anarchid. Lemmie know how it works for zk.

[PicassoCT]

Forb and his innovative naming of the maps
Battle for PlanetXVII or Battle for PlanetXIV Anybody?

Oh and also the map is... kinda interesting I suppose? I dislike the heavy focus on the ramps but considering that it was made for Evo I guess we will see how it will work out I guess.

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function NameSpaceForb(llenght, lNamingSamples, lLetterTable, lBreakers)

lenght = llength or 3
NamingSamples= lNamingSamples or 10
LetterTable= lLetterTable or {"A","C","E","G","H","K","O","L","N","R","S"}
Breakers=lBreakers or 2


NameEndingTable={"this","iel","ora","os","cia","ash","ill","illa","esh","dor","ran","spin","dia","bah","cant","sen","ino","ine","vin","eese","oga","alla"}
previousChar="z"
BreakerTable={}
  for i=1,Breakers do
  BreakerTable[math.ceil(math.random(1,length))]=true
  end

    for i=1,NamingSamples do
    Name=""
    	for j=1,length do
        	if (BreakerTable[j]) then Name=Name.." ' " end
    	
    	index=math.random(1,#LetterTable)
    	
        	if (LetterTable[index]==previousChar) then index=index+1 end
    	Name=Name..LetterTable[index]
    	end
    	ending=math.random(1,#NameEndingTable)
    	Name=Name..NameEndingTable[ending]
    	print(Name)
    end

end

Does he even try to compute

[Forboding Angel]

Part of me wonders if I should be flattered

[PicassoCT]

Should Have added a lower an upperCase

[SpikedHelmet]

riperooni, i only have spring features v1.1

[PicassoCT]

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function PlanetNameGenerator(llenght, lNamingSamples,  lBreakers, lLetterTable,lBoolPrecursor, lBoolPostPoner)
function PreCurse() return math.random(0,1)==1 end
function PostPone() return math.random(0,1)==1 end


length = llenght or 3
NamingSamples= lNamingSamples or 10
LetterTable= lLetterTable or {[1]="A",[2]="O",[3]="E",[4]="U",[5]="I",[6]="K",[7]="C",[8]="L",[9]="N",[10]="R",[11]="S",[12]="Y",[13]="G",[14]="H",[15]="T"}
Breakers=lBreakers or math.floor(math.random(0,2))
Precursor=""
PostPoner=""

PrecursorTable={"Prime ", "Sigma ", "Alpha ", "Al' ", "New ", "Colony "}

   if PreCurse() ==true then
   Precursor=PrecursorTable[math.random(1,#PrecursorTable)]
   end
   
PostPonerTable={" Hope", " Landfell", " Edge", " VIII ", " Paradise", " <HellClass>" }

   if PostPone()==true then
   PostPoner=PostPonerTable[math.random(1,#PostPonerTable)]
   end

NameEndingTable={"this","iel","ora","os","cia","ash","esh","ill","illa","esh","dor","ran",
               "spin","dia","bah","cant","sen","ino","ine","vin","eese","oga",
               "alla","ico","rah","kel","nis","gam","hell","den","rado","yss","hnoss"}
previousChar="z"
BreakerTable={}
boolBreakerBlow=true
	dist=2
  for i=1,Breakers do
  if dist < length then
  BreakerTable[math.ceil(math.random(dist,length))]=true
  end
  dist=dist+3
	if dist> length then i=Breakers+1 end
  end

  BreakCounter=1
    for i=1,NamingSamples,1 do
    Name=""..Precursor
       for j=1,length,1 do
         boolBreakerBlow=false
           if (BreakerTable[j]) then Name=Name.." ' ";boolBreakerBlow=true;BreakCounter=1 else BreakCounter=BreakCounter+1 end
       if BreakCounter % 2 ==0 then
	   index= math.floor(math.random(1,5)) 
	   else
       index=math.random(1,#LetterTable)
	   end
           if (LetterTable[index]==previousChar) then index=index+1 end
            if boolBreakerBlow==false and j ~= 1 then
            Name=Name..string.lower(LetterTable[index])
            else
            Name=Name..LetterTable[index]
            end
       end
       ending=math.random(1,#NameEndingTable)
       Name=Name..NameEndingTable[ending]..PostPoner
       Spring.Echo(Name)
    end

end

I need a generator that generates generic praise for procedural generation..

• Colony Oeunu ' H ' Ugam Hope
  Colony Oyuae ' I ' Uthis Hope
  Colony Akata ' S ' Ohell Hope
  Colony Irino ' R ' Ivin Hope
  Colony Ekoiu ' Y ' Lalla Hope
  Colony Euute ' C ' Eash Hope
  Colony Urusi ' T ' Kbah Hope
  Colony Atiai ' U ' Yrah Hope
  Colony Oiaio ' N ' Ospin Hope
  Colony Iooee ' I ' Gilla Hope
  Colony Eloho ' T ' Ocant Hope
  Colony Enouu ' U ' Sos Hope
  Colony Oieui ' U ' Kiel Hope
  Colony Eeooa ' Y ' Gyss Hope
  Colony Ieaeu ' Y ' Udia Hope
  Colony Isieu ' E ' Rcia Hope
  Colony Eresi ' A ' Gspin Hope
  Colony Eaoio ' A ' Gbah Hope
  Colony Uhieo ' H ' Gcia Hope
  Colony Iuato ' G ' Iico Hope
  Colony Okike ' L ' Evin Hope
  Colony Eteiu ' N ' Rdia Hope
  Colony Unaru ' H ' Uash Hope
  Colony Atine ' K ' Sdor Hope
  Colony Eiutu ' C ' Espin Hope
  Colony Uoise ' O ' Icia Hope
  Colony Iyoee ' S ' Gcant Hope
  Colony Acioo ' O ' Hthis Hope
  Colony Oteeu ' H ' Hiel Hope
  Colony Oiieo ' S ' Tspin Hope
  
  
  
  Ayico ' Labah
  Gaiau ' Cudia
  Eosou ' Heash
  Eukiy ' Ceico
  Laueh ' Sakel
  Seaut ' Oocant
  Lahit ' Sethis
  Oilen ' Ierah
  Geoer ' Uoyss
  Oaros ' Tuesh
  Ruios ' Cecant
  Tatac ' Ueeese
  Iacey ' Lurado
  Nahik ' Laeese
  Tigeu ' Sonis
  Iahak ' Caesh
  Caios ' Kidor
  Koleo ' Labah
  Loiir ' Neiel
  Ainar ' Nuora
  Yoiua ' Kiine
  Caeoe ' Loash
  Tilea ' Gaiel
  Teaal ' Gialla
  Eoiul ' Cirado
  Iocuh ' Cocia
  Yioug ' Yucant
  Noiel ' Aoill
  Cayae ' Oudia
  Uarat ' Gudia
  
  Alpha Uaau ' Ta ' Skel <HellClass>
  Alpha Aual ' Se ' Lden <HellClass>
  Alpha Ugio ' Ee ' Hbah <HellClass>
  Alpha Ouoe ' Eo ' Lico <HellClass>
  Alpha Euar ' Ki ' Yalla <HellClass>
  Alpha Ukur ' Ui ' Kgam <HellClass>
  Alpha Itih ' Ri ' Ralla <HellClass>
  Alpha Oieu ' Hu ' Ethis <HellClass>
  Alpha Usel ' Te ' Nvin <HellClass>
  Alpha Oguo ' Iu ' Nino <HellClass>
  Alpha Aiik ' Sa ' Lsen <HellClass>
  Alpha Itii ' Ke ' Tash <HellClass>
  Alpha Ehee ' Na ' Lalla <HellClass>
  Alpha Uaak ' La ' Rcant <HellClass>
  Alpha Iooi ' Hu ' Rrah <HellClass>
  Alpha Ugag ' Ue ' Ykel <HellClass>
  Alpha Utit ' Na ' Cvin <HellClass>
  Alpha Osog ' Ge ' Sbah <HellClass>
  Alpha Ouel ' Ua ' Srah <HellClass>
  Alpha Atio ' Yu ' Thell <HellClass>
  Alpha Anuu ' Ca ' Gdor <HellClass>
  Alpha Elit ' Lo ' Lalla <HellClass>
  Alpha Ukos ' Go ' Yesh <HellClass>
  Alpha Ikil ' Eo ' Nhell <HellClass>
  Alpha Ioit ' Aa ' Lill <HellClass>
  Alpha Ineh ' Oe ' Egam <HellClass>
  Alpha Unic ' Eu ' Rill <HellClass>
  Alpha Olie ' Ue ' Tvin <HellClass>
  Alpha Usui ' Lu ' Oash <HellClass>
  Alpha Iyay ' Ie ' Lrado <HellClass>
  doSomething1
  
  O ' Gico ' Oavin Hope
  K ' Aaoa ' Gukel Hope
  Y ' Aora ' Cecant Hope
  C ' Laui ' Eeilla Hope
  L ' Uiku ' Locia Hope
  K ' Giou ' Nuvin Hope
  H ' Cale ' Sayss Hope
  N ' Kele ' Eunis Hope
  A ' Kece ' Yooga Hope
  Y ' Lioo ' Tesen Hope
  L ' Relu ' Soico Hope
  E ' Ieio ' Yerado Hope
  G ' Giho ' Auill Hope
  R ' Uugu ' Yucia Hope
  O ' Saou ' Euesh Hope
  K ' Nieo ' Eaos Hope
  S ' Uicu ' Aoine Hope
  H ' Iiio ' Conis Hope
  T ' Seha ' Libah Hope
  E ' Iono ' Yodia Hope
  R ' Tayi ' Neos Hope
  R ' Resu ' Ridia Hope
  R ' Lugo ' Iuesh Hope
  R ' Ciui ' Looga Hope
  N ' Lure ' Eiden Hope
  A ' Iaio ' Liine Hope
  N ' Tisa ' Yehell Hope
  G ' Aaaa ' Seill Hope
  L ' Aauu ' Levin Hope
  O ' Oala ' Losen Hope
  
  Sigma U ' Huaea ' Oesh
  Sigma I ' Uugek ' Eden
  Sigma E ' Yuyoi ' Lora
  Sigma O ' Eoroi ' Gthis
  Sigma A ' Gouos ' Ivin
  Sigma E ' Iiuuk ' Gora
  Sigma A ' Logio ' Hhell
  Sigma U ' Recue ' Hdor
  Sigma I ' Iuuun ' Hden
  Sigma O ' Eeoey ' Sran
  Sigma U ' Herin ' Lnis
  Sigma I ' Eooas ' Kdia
  Sigma U ' Eegae ' Urah
  Sigma I ' Kocie ' Ucant
  Sigma A ' Nukui ' Cesh
  Sigma A ' Golao ' Edor
  Sigma E ' Husel ' Tiel
  Sigma U ' Uetoi ' Coga
  Sigma I ' Yauai ' Aalla
  Sigma U ' Oiius ' Cspin
  Sigma U ' Naloc ' Lesh
  Sigma I ' Sulae ' Hino
  Sigma U ' Lauor ' Lspin
  Sigma U ' Ieiot ' Tcant
  Sigma I ' Tusae ' Lhnoss
  Sigma O ' Uenes ' Riel
  Sigma U ' Kocel ' Crah
  Sigma I ' Uital ' Urah
  Sigma U ' Losat ' Cvin
  Sigma O ' Eosoe ' Ialla
  doSomething1
  
  Colony Iiu ' O ' Oohran
  Colony Ona ' H ' Noealla
  Colony Uia ' K ' Hishell
  Colony Olu ' E ' Uieeese
  Colony Uti ' G ' Aahspin
  Colony Iui ' E ' Eeooga
  Colony Usa ' H ' Yurvin
  Colony Ato ' C ' Iuithis
  Colony Aki ' C ' Haothis
  Colony Oee ' I ' Gonesh
  Colony Ahu ' L ' Yonrah
  Colony Uiu ' N ' Relvin
  Colony Uoo ' G ' Iirthis
  Colony Iiu ' U ' Lilthis
  Colony Aou ' R ' Liiyss
  Colony Oke ' H ' Huhbah
  Colony Ete ' E ' Oaoiel
  Colony Olo ' L ' Kuesen
  Colony Ulu ' U ' Toekel
  Colony Eau ' G ' Yihesh
  Colony Eso ' H ' Eacdia
  Colony Inu ' N ' Haegam
  Colony Uli ' E ' Oosbah
  Colony Uue ' U ' Uaknis
  Colony Aee ' S ' Natdor
  Colony Ila ' C ' Nuriel
  Colony Oiu ' A ' Aaehnoss
  Colony Ogo ' O ' Kusdor
  Colony Eoi ' N ' Renalla
  Colony Oio ' I ' Tiogam
  
  [GiveUnits] spawned 1 jtreel unit(s) for team 0
  Colony Eyue ' Eo ' Ubah Landfell
  Colony Etor ' To ' Tico Landfell
  Colony Ikue ' Yu ' Orah Landfell
  Colony Ugiu ' Si ' Skel Landfell
  Colony Aguy ' Ke ' Kos Landfell
  Colony Utak ' Su ' Nnis Landfell
  Colony Ugie ' To ' Talla Landfell
  Colony Oook ' So ' Cilla Landfell
  Colony Ecik ' Lo ' Eash Landfell
  Colony Ugac ' Hu ' Hcia Landfell
  Colony Aauu ' Au ' Rden Landfell
  Colony Ayor ' Yi ' Tesh Landfell
  Colony Orar ' Ye ' Riel Landfell
  Colony Onou ' Ni ' Gthis Landfell
  Colony Eten ' Ke ' Ralla Landfell
  Colony Eiil ' Tu ' Eesh Landfell
  Colony Eluk ' Go ' Irado Landfell
  Colony Oeee ' Ni ' Edia Landfell
  Colony Esas ' Ho ' Hiel Landfell
  Colony Eaol ' Sa ' Sino Landfell
  Colony Iair ' Ho ' Yeese Landfell
  Colony Eiea ' Ti ' Chell Landfell
  Colony Oeoo ' Ei ' Ieese Landfell
  Colony Uuak ' Hi ' Tos Landfell
  Colony Iaor ' Yo ' Ivin Landfell
  Colony Uyes ' Ra ' Toga Landfell
  Colony Uaar ' Oo ' Nico Landfell
  Colony Oaao ' Ui ' Iino Landfell
  Colony Uuar ' Ra ' Ghnoss Landfell
  Colony Uoit ' Yu ' Hico Landfell
  
  Prime Akia ' Y ' Cathis Edge
  Prime Niyo ' T ' Eirado Edge
  Prime Heko ' T ' Iuos Edge
  Prime Ooti ' N ' Cayss Edge
  Prime Uaha ' G ' Nuesh Edge
  Prime Auui ' C ' Teyss Edge
  Prime Uiea ' H ' Sueese Edge
  Prime Coga ' T ' Oacant Edge
  Prime Neaa ' U ' Heilla Edge
  Prime Eeoi ' H ' Nudia Edge
  Prime Gigu ' L ' Lecia Edge
  Prime Tuou ' G ' Uenis Edge
  Prime Luci ' O ' Nabah Edge
  Prime Roei ' T ' Ciill Edge
  Prime Eeki ' E ' Ridor Edge
  Prime Eogi ' R ' Huine Edge
  Prime Riyi ' O ' Coino Edge
  Prime Nago ' T ' Tavin Edge
  Prime Huhu ' A ' Ueiel Edge
  Prime Luna ' C ' Hevin Edge
  Prime Rutu ' S ' Seeese Edge
  Prime Aiga ' Y ' Rahnoss Edge
  Prime Geiu ' G ' Iisen Edge
  Prime Goua ' O ' Eihnoss Edge
  Prime Koca ' H ' Iothis Edge
  Prime Iaea ' A ' Giash Edge
  Prime Holu ' H ' Tacia Edge
  Prime Hooi ' T ' Geash Edge
  Prime Taai ' C ' Liesh Edge
  Prime Helo ' T ' Oiesh Edge
  
  Atuc ' Iiaino
  Uyek ' Getthis
  Akas ' Eunbah
  Icon ' Neghnoss
  Uair ' Uaiden
  Anon ' Reiino
  Igao ' Uaaesh
  Anuc ' Ieiine
  Iran ' Cikalla
  Ohee ' Guuvin
  Oruo ' Oegrah
  Alie ' Golnis
  Ucec ' Couash
  Isea ' Oecesh
  Ueak ' Hurthis
  Uces ' Aolgam
  Erec ' Aicthis
  Ilag ' Kaukel
  Ilan ' Auybah
  Ukas ' Tiydor
  Auur ' Iaoran
  Unui ' Aacos
  Acue ' Eearah
  Ayiy ' Aucilla
  Ehat ' Niseese

Them names - look at that productivity of a few rules. Disregard planet unit spawned

[qray]

Overall real nice theme!
Might be fun to try 2v2 with team mates starting in diagonal separated positions.

4 platforms surrounding 4 adjoining terraces which outlet into a low ground middle battlefield.

Suggestion: The middle would be more interesting / fought for if there would be more metal spots and/or some geos. Would drive people more out of their base areas, I guess.
Design wise: I could imagine splat detail textures and grass on the middle would improve the look without being too much work (depending on how perfectionist one is when creating these ).

[Google_Frog]

• 1.
• Make the map a true island map. Move or remove the few rock spires which touch the map edge.
  2.
• Change the undewater texture or sky such that they are the same colour.

1. Not a terrible Idea, but it would require retexturing, which would be annoying but not... not-doable.

2. No thanks. I hate maps that do this. Map edges serve an important gameplay purpose, regardless of how silly that purpose may seem.

I'm unsure about how I feel about 2. It depends how likely you are to use the edge. If you are going to make more of these island style maps then definitely keep 1 in mind.

[Forboding Angel]

riperooni, i only have spring features v1.1

Your lobby should auto download map dependencies by now... It's 2015. The dependency is linked on the spring files page.

@google, yep, #1 is definitely correct.

[Orfelius]

Map got unfeatured in ZK because of its dependancy with Spring Features 1.0 and ZKL being too stupid to use it. Quite a shame I must admit.

[Forboding Angel]

Updated to v2 with more ramps and better looking spires and little island rock thingies as per GF suggestion.

ZKLobby can't handle map dependencies? That's pathetic -_- Even springlobby can handle them.

[Forboding Angel]

Did anyone ever manage to get a game off the ground on this map? I'd be curious to hear about experiences.

[Forboding Angel]

Played vs an AI, seems to work pretty well. I'm really liking this style of map tbh.

http://replays.springrts.com/replay/684 ... 997174d8b/

[danil_kalina]

Looks cool! But it is PORC I think

[raaar]

Map got unfeatured in ZK because of its dependancy with Spring Features 1.0 and ZKL being too stupid to use it. Quite a shame I must admit.

Map looks good.

But this thing of having external dependencies is bad imo. I have no idea how many maps have this issue, but i sometimes see people having trouble playing because they can't download map.

How much bigger would the map files be if they didn't have the external dependency?

[Forboding Angel]

External dependencies are fine, especially when those dependencies are available via rapid. The only lobby that cannot handle them is Zero-K Lobby, for which there is no excuse and the fact that it can't is fucking shameful.