Present: hoijui, jK, Tobi, Kloot
Agenda
- Progress of stuff to be done before release
- GPL (progress)
- security issues: http://springrts.com/mantis/view.php?id=1975
- OS X (progress)
- MT / LUA (silently rename mt -> gml)
- Buildbot progress
- GitHub: convert spring into an organization? see: http://github.com/blog/674-introducing-organizations
- Next meeting
- Anything else? (WVTTK)
- the RC will be released when all blocking bugs on the roadmap are fixed ("soon")
- Spring will be converted to a github organization
[16:08:15] <[RoX]Tobi> == Progress of stuff to be done before release ==
[16:08:43] <[LCC]jK> I thought everything is ready
[16:08:47] <[RoX]Tobi> I just added 2 new items to the roadmap which people told me in chat: http://springrts.com/mantis/roadmap_page.php
[16:08:57] <Kloot> I thought there was going to be an RC last week
[16:08:59] <[LCC]jK> but then there come ticket 1974
[16:09:32] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> yeah :D
[16:09:40] <[RoX]Tobi> Kloot: yeah that was plan, but unfortunately the time I had reserved for it was spent upgrading buildbot to newer mingw
[16:09:51] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> well.. RC yes, but curretn topic is for release
[16:09:53] <[LCC]jK> also 1970 was blocking
[16:10:17] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> valgrind log can be removed i guess
[16:10:20] <[LCC]jK> and I want to make today a RC, but there is ... 1974
[16:10:56] <[LCC]jK> I tested buildbot and those crash
[16:11:02] <Kloot> is 1974 related to 1969 maybe?
[16:11:03] <[LCC]jK> my own build ones don't
[16:11:55] <[RoX]Tobi> [LCC]jK: that was a build from springrts.com/dl/buildbot ?
[16:12:05] <[LCC]jK> yup
[16:12:10] <[RoX]Tobi> ok
[16:12:12] <[LCC]jK> I copied my spring.exe in the dir and it worked fine
[16:12:19] <[LCC]jK> so it is nothing in a dll
[16:12:36] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> mingw version?
[16:12:59] <[RoX]Tobi> buildbot is 4.4.2
[16:13:04] <[LCC]jK> 4.4.0 here
[16:13:34] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> both are RELEASE builds?
[16:13:48] <[LCC]jK> here yes
[16:14:13] <[LCC]jK> I assume buildbot's `default` is RELEASE
[16:14:39] <[RoX]Tobi> it's cmake's default again iirc, which is RelWithDebInfo + stripping to separate debug infos in separate files
[16:14:41] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> WITHDEBINFO i guess
[16:15:09] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> (doh.. tricked myself)
[16:15:11] <[RoX]Tobi> bah well that needs some digging later on I suppose
[16:15:22] <[RoX]Tobi> I haven't tried it myself yet
[16:15:32] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> for the release (not RC) :
[16:15:40] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> there also seems to be a new issue wiht pathing
[16:15:55] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> quite often, consturctors do not move to the build site
[16:16:12] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> even if nothign is in the way
[16:16:26] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> i noticed it, and several others
[16:16:33] <[RoX]Tobi> is that in mantis?
[16:16:37] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> i will try to collect some images and demos..
[16:16:38] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> no
[16:16:44] <[RoX]Tobi> ok
[16:17:50] <[LCC]jK> how do I load debugsymbols of a separate file?
[16:18:50] <[RoX]Tobi> possibly symbol-file [ filename ], assuming you mean in gdb
[16:19:01] <Kloot> add-symbol-file iirc
[16:19:09] <[RoX]Tobi> ah or that yeah
[16:19:19] <[LCC]jK> works ty
[16:19:46] <[RoX]Tobi> anyway, apparently some things still to figure out for real rc
[16:20:13] <[LCC]jK> like?
[16:20:20] <[RoX]Tobi> keep putting issues you see in mantis and if they are blocking set them to target version 0.82 (in advanced update screen)
[16:20:25] <[RoX]Tobi> those that we just discussed :)
[16:20:43] <[RoX]Tobi> or more specifically: http://springrts.com/mantis/roadmap_page.php
[16:21:16] <[LCC]jK> security issue isn't blocking for RC
[16:21:42] <[RoX]Tobi> no, but may be for release
[16:22:17] <[RoX]Tobi> although I'd say it would be fine to just disable [...] and enable it once it is a bit more secure
[16:22:18] <Kloot> depends on how much time we allow between rc and release I guess
[16:23:38] <[RoX]Tobi> and the crash on start and quit, is that blocking for rc then?
[16:23:56] <[RoX]Tobi> personally I prefer if anything that's blocking for release is also blocking for rc, since after all that's why it's a *R* C
[16:24:05] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> yeah true
[16:24:22] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> i woudl say, this is blocking, yes
[16:24:52] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> next?
[16:24:55] <[LCC]jK> RC will have many bugs I assume, the earlier it comes the earlier we can fix the bugs and make a real release
[16:25:26] <[LCC]jK> so waiting for all bugs fixed is quite illusive
[16:25:33] <[RoX]Tobi> obviously
[16:25:37] <[RoX]Tobi> hence only blocking bugs :)
[16:26:20] <[RoX]Tobi> but sure, if everyone is fine with releasing latest buildbot build as is as RC then I can pick that up again
[16:26:38] <[RoX]Tobi> (apart from version number)
[16:26:51] <[RoX]Tobi> that would be version 0.82 then
[16:27:21] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> is ok for me
[16:27:36] <[RoX]Tobi> real release would then be 0.82.1 / .2 / .3 or so, probably
[16:27:42] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> but maybe try once more to fix
[16:28:13] <[LCC]jK> erm debugbuild isn't crashing
[16:28:28] <[LCC]jK> (from buildbot)
[16:28:51] <[RoX]Tobi> hmm it doesn't make those anymore for quite a while, you mean it doesn't crash in gdb?
[16:29:28] <[RoX]Tobi> or are you trying 0.81.2.1-1175-g18c6ea8 ?
[16:29:41] <[LCC]jK> somehow is find it quite strange if the public releases always are 0.xyz.1
[16:30:07] <[RoX]Tobi> yeah .rc would be better but would eat a bit of time to try how good that works
[16:30:53] <[LCC]jK> I tested 1175 (6/19)
[16:31:10] <[RoX]Tobi> ok
[16:31:31] <[RoX]Tobi> that is from before mingw upgrade
[16:31:52] <[RoX]Tobi> I upgraded it 6/28
[16:58:46] <[RoX]Tobi> mingw upgrade must have been 21st actually, now I think about it
[16:32:28] <[LCC]jK> k tested debugsymbols for newest then
[16:33:09] <[RoX]Tobi> anyway, shall we look into this sometime later?
[16:33:38] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> yeah
[16:34:06] <[LCC]jK> k
[16:34:10] <[RoX]Tobi> ok
...
[16:59:08] <[LCC]jK> btw
[16:59:09] <[LCC]jK> http://springrts.com/mantis/view.php?id=1974
[16:59:25] <[LCC]jK> looks like it's using SjLj again
[16:59:34] <[LCC]jK> it should use dwarf2
[16:59:53] <[RoX]Tobi> ok that could explain it I suppose
[17:00:44] <[RoX]Tobi> I can try again to recompile mingw, that's now a bit easier/safer now it's in a chroot
main points:
- the RC was delayed/blocked because of Mantis #1974 (engine crashes on exit), which seems to be related to #1969
- #1974 is not caused by external dll's, maybe related to exception format used by newer mingw version on buildbot
- security issues surrounding #1975 are not considered RC-blocking, only release-blocking bugs are
- Spring's version-name convention is not ideal for RC's
[16:34:11] <[RoX]Tobi> === GPL (progress) ===
[16:34:32] <[RoX]Tobi> I made the etherpad doc a little bit better this morning
[16:34:42] <[RoX]Tobi> I think it's good enough for posting
[16:35:20] <[RoX]Tobi> so feel free to review it or whatever, and if you all think it's good I make post
[16:38:31] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> it is good for me
[16:39:13] <[LCC]jK> for me, too
[16:39:17] <Kloot> +1
[16:39:26] <[RoX]Tobi> ok
[16:39:46] <[RoX]Tobi> then I'll post it asap
[16:40:09] <[ARP]hoijui_g5>
[16:40:15] <[LCC]jK> and ty for the work
[16:40:40] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> .. yeah, thanks
main points:
- developer stance on AI's wrt. the GPL is now finalized
[16:40:22] <[RoX]Tobi> next point: === security issues: http://springrts.com/mantis/view.php?id=1975 ===
[16:40:37] <[RoX]Tobi> although I think this was mostly zerver's thing, isn't it?
[16:40:54] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> yeah
[16:41:15] <[RoX]Tobi> in very short, issue is that [...]
[16:41:49] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> even wiht the [...]?
[16:42:11] <[LCC]jK> specs don't need [...], when I understood it correctly
[16:42:14] <[RoX]Tobi> as I understood it, you don't need one now to [...]
[16:42:16] <[RoX]Tobi> yeah
[16:42:49] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> if we make an exception [...]?
[16:42:54] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> to always [...]
[16:43:30] <[RoX]Tobi> yeah that are solutions BD has suggested too
[16:43:44] <[RoX]Tobi> may work best to just do this discussion in the bug report and continue with next point
[16:43:52] <[RoX]Tobi> http://springrts.com/mantis/view.php?id=1975
[16:43:55] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> ok
[16:44:03] <[LCC]jK> normal players can have extended priviliges too (on springie etc.)
[16:44:14] <[RoX]Tobi> for now I just copy pasted the chat log to not forget completely about it
[16:44:18] <[LCC]jK> e.g. via !kick, !cheats
[16:44:27] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> mmm
[16:44:28] <[RoX]Tobi> yeah
[16:44:36] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> ok, no solution then
[16:44:49] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> maybe better discuss here, as i mantis.. it is slow
[16:45:05] <[LCC]jK> we would need zerver
[16:45:17] <[RoX]Tobi> yeah but we don't need a solution right at this moment, and indeed it would be more useful if zerver was here :)
[16:45:19] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> ah yeah true.. ok, next then
main points:
- solutions to this issue will be investigated later
[16:45:29] <[RoX]Tobi> ==== * OS X (progress)=====
[16:45:54] <[RoX]Tobi> daftalx got a bit further
[16:46:02] <[RoX]Tobi> > Basically everything builds, what i'm getting now is a link error while looking for the "main" entry point for both spring-dedicated & spring-hl. I'm assuming there *is* a main function in these 2 targets ? Also there is an extra link error on spring-dedicated related to the ErrorMessageBox class.
[16:46:35] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> yeah, in HL it is even the same as in normal spring
[16:46:55] <[RoX]Tobi> for the errors see also here: http://springrts.com:7778/builders/full ... logs/stdio
[16:47:11] <[RoX]Tobi> the one he means is:
[16:47:14] <[RoX]Tobi> Undefined symbols:
[16:47:15] <[RoX]Tobi> "_main", referenced from:
[16:47:15] <[RoX]Tobi> start in crt1.10.6.o
[16:47:15] <[RoX]Tobi> ld: symbol(s) not found
[16:47:34] <[RoX]Tobi> both when linking spring-dedicated and spring-hl
[16:47:36] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> i will have a lok.. no idea if i have a chance though
[16:47:41] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> look*
[16:47:55] <[LCC]jK> hmmm maybe some #defines?
[16:47:56] <[RoX]Tobi> could it be that SDL has some special tricks to make main() somehow 'more crossplatform' ?
[16:48:19] <[RoX]Tobi> and that maybe this is only half-present in spring-hl and spring-dedicated?
[16:49:21] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> yes, both of these
[16:49:25] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> quite likely
[16:49:28] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> combined
[16:49:56] <[RoX]Tobi> ok
[16:50:20] <Kloot> looks like main.cpp fails to compile at all
[16:51:15] <[RoX]Tobi> as in, you think the warnings are related?
[16:51:52] <Kloot> yeah, as though main() is not visible/exported
[16:52:19] <[RoX]Tobi> hmm that might be an explanation, wonder why that would be though
[16:52:38] <Kloot> but the linker seems to want symbol "_main"
[16:53:16] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> yeah, thats most likely cuase of SDL
[16:53:21] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> redefining stuff
[16:53:58] <Kloot> could check SDL source to see what it does exactly
[16:54:47] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> yeah.. i did that some 3 weeks ago
[16:54:57] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> remember something like that
[16:55:02] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> its al in hte headers
[16:55:43] <[RoX]Tobi> ok
[16:56:00] <[LCC]jK> next?
[16:56:02] <[RoX]Tobi> well if you have some clue how to fix please try or you could suggest something to try to daftalx :)
main points:
- Spring fails to link on OSX buildbot, likely due to SDL redefining main()
[16:56:19] <[RoX]Tobi> === * MT / LUA (silently rename mt -> gml) ===
[16:57:08] <[LCC]jK> hoijui, you want to reverse the rename?
[16:57:09] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> yeah i though.. as zerver is not here.. quick quick..
[16:57:13] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> hehe
[16:57:19] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> its a joke
[16:57:28] <[LCC]jK> ^^
[16:57:28] <[RoX]Tobi> k lol :p
[16:57:30] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> but... i still think we should have used gml eveyrwhere
[16:58:00] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> as zerver is not here, we can skip this
[16:58:05] <[RoX]Tobi> ok
main points:
- hoijui is not happy with the s/GML/MT/g change for the GML-multithreaded binary
[16:58:11] <[RoX]Tobi> ==== * Buildbot progress ======
[16:58:36] <[RoX]Tobi> nothing of importance since past week IIRC
main points:
- none
[17:01:55] <[RoX]Tobi> === GitHub: convert spring into an organization? ===
[17:02:01] <[RoX]Tobi> * see: http://github.com/blog/674-introducing-organizations
[17:02:15] <[RoX]Tobi> +1 from me
[17:02:59] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> ok
[17:03:17] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> for me too
[17:04:15] <[LCC]jK> +1
[17:04:50] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> kloot will not answer, he wants to keep it short
[17:05:00] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> next
[17:05:07] <Kloot> any lines I can save ^^
[17:05:11] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> :D
[17:05:48] <Kloot> but yeah, organization seems natural with all the repo's spring now has
[17:06:11] <[RoX]Tobi> who will upgrade it?
[17:06:17] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> me mee
[17:06:19] <[RoX]Tobi> k
main points:
- Spring will be converted to a github organization for easier project management, etc
[17:06:30] <[RoX]Tobi> === Next meeting ===
... (everyone voted +1 on the same time next week)
[17:10:25] <[RoX]Tobi> ===Anything else? (WVTTK)===
[17:11:00] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> i tried to translate a stack trace with an AI crash, and it did nto translate the AI part
[17:11:05] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> that was wiht RAI
[17:11:08] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> (new buildbot)
[17:11:23] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> did it work for you, tobi?
[17:11:26] <[LCC]jK> possibly SjLj problem
[17:11:57] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> ahh yeah could be
[17:12:06] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> old buildbto had similar problems, form time to time
[17:13:05] <[RoX]Tobi> translation shouldn't be related to SjLj I think
[17:13:21] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> .. also true :D
[17:13:29] <[LCC]jK> SjLj can't catch errors in dlls afaik
[17:13:43] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> yeah but if ther is a stack trace ..
[17:13:53] <[ARP]hoijui_g5> exceptions do not matter anymore, right?
[17:16:17] <[RoX]Tobi> correct
[17:16:31] <[RoX]Tobi> although I don't know what kind of weird effects that signal handler that triggers a segfault has
main points:
- stacktrace translation for AI's is unreliable, but should not be affected by the exception format used
