Xbox 360: Was I right or what?

Masse · Post by **Masse** » 27 Nov 2005, 17:43

well... xbox and ps2 games cannot be run with emulators... not so well atleast... its cause the emulators aint that finished yet... maybe in a 2 - 3 years u can run xbox and ps2 games on pc

Triaxx2 · Post by **Triaxx2** » 27 Nov 2005, 19:50

What he's saying, is that with emulators, his computer is powerful enough to run the same games as the consoles. Besides, emulators are very difficult to code, since you're trying to recreate specific hardware using software only.

It's about as easy as building an AI without instructions, from scratch.

Masse · Post by **Masse** » 27 Nov 2005, 20:56

Triaxx2 wrote:What he's saying, is that with emulators, his computer is powerful enough to run the same games as the consoles. Besides, emulators are very difficult to code, since you're trying to recreate specific hardware using software only.

It's about as easy as building an AI without instructions, from scratch.

yeah i was trying to say that

u put it into words way better than i could

Mugslugs · Post by **Mugslugs** » 27 Nov 2005, 21:25

well actually the ps2 has almost been fully emulated we're on the optimization stage now err just avoid looking at the huge holes in the ground i'll post it tomorrow if you want

Das Bruce · Post by **Das Bruce** » 27 Nov 2005, 21:33

Mech Assault - has very... umm... like nothing to do with mechwarrior !

Bollocks.

Masse · Post by **Masse** » 27 Nov 2005, 22:16

Mech Assault = FAST arcade style like FPS games
and
Mechwarrior = slow simulation style

who played them both will clearly see the difference... i like Mechwarrior more

Sheekel · Post by **Sheekel** » 28 Nov 2005, 03:36

i remember seeing my friend playing pikmin. There was a space-ship like thing and all these flowers running around. he pushed a button and they jumped under ground. Thats all i remember.

They look like flowers to me!

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 28 Nov 2005, 09:46

Flowers... minus the flower part... plus legs, eyes, and arms. Come to think of it, I know a lot of people who match your description of flower... And BTW, multiplayer pikmin kicks ass. It IS a niche game though, I admit... you have to be able to not expect blood guts and gore at every turn.

Min3mat · Post by **Min3mat** » 28 Nov 2005, 11:11

well i think that its the most fun game since....something...its obscenely fun once u get into it :D

SinbadEV · Post by **SinbadEV** » 28 Nov 2005, 15:33

I was very dissapointed that I couldn't play co-operative multi-player in Pikmin 2

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 28 Nov 2005, 22:26

You can, it's called Challenge mode. Or am I wrong? This is my nephew talking, but he knows the game inside-out (8 yrs old)

Challenge mode just has specific scenarios, though. Would be cool if you could play the entire game co-op.

TA 3D · Post by **TA 3D** » 29 Nov 2005, 01:08

Why did anyone buy an XBOX 360? Youre wasting your money. Period!

Microsoft will have signed it's death if it doesn't change to full support for OpenGL hardware acceleration in Windows Vista from software emulation that they are currently using. Already all the card manufactures are complaining. Nvidia, Ati, 3d Labs, IBM, Sun Microsystems, Matrox, Pny, ect.. are all up in arms about it. Lets not forget about the XBOX 360 "flaws" and "hardware" problems that were present that they never fixed.

So basiclly you just wasted your money. But for those who are willing to wait, the PS3 will be the most powerfull and advanced game system yet. With the CELL proscessor runing at 4.6Ghz, and a top of the line Nvidia graphics proscessor in a custom video card called RSX, it will blow away all others. Sony's claim is that it will be able to push new HD displays at 120Hz refresh rate.

SinbadEV · Post by **SinbadEV** » 29 Nov 2005, 01:08

man... you'd think I would have noticed that

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 29 Nov 2005, 04:12

TA 3D wrote:Why did anyone buy an XBOX 360? Youre wasting your money. Period!

Microsoft will have signed it's death if it doesn't change to full support for OpenGL hardware acceleration in Windows Vista from software emulation that they are currently using. Already all the card manufactures are complaining. Nvidia, Ati, 3d Labs, IBM, Sun Microsystems, Matrox, Pny, ect.. are all up in arms about it. Lets not forget about the XBOX 360 "flaws" and "hardware" problems that were present that they never fixed.

So basiclly you just wasted your money. But for those who are willing to wait, the PS3 will be the most powerfull and advanced game system yet. With the CELL proscessor runing at 4.6Ghz, and a top of the line Nvidia graphics proscessor in a custom video card called RSX, it will blow away all others. Sony's claim is that it will be able to push new HD displays at 120Hz refresh rate.

Wow, 360 doesn't support OpenGL? That's going to cost them some really big name console shared titles. Looks like Xbox has a year to make it's sales, then the shit train hits the industrial turbine.

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 29 Nov 2005, 06:52

Er.. I'm pretty sure xbox hardware has and always will only support directx. But that's not what he's complaining about - it's the fact that rumors (possibly announcements? I'm really not to well-informed on this) state that the next version of windows, called "vista", will not have very good opengl support, or at least anything opengl will run at like 30% of the speed you might get from any other operating system.

Like I said, I'm ignorant... what advantages does opengl have over directx, anyway? Seems like all the big-name games use directx. You always hear about a video card's directx-compatibility. And so on. Basically I guess it's just that opengl is easier for amateurs to program for.

Das Bruce · Post by **Das Bruce** » 29 Nov 2005, 07:07

OpenGL is cross platform and under control of a review board. Which ironically Microsoft are on. MS's track record with openGL has hardly been encouraging.

And what do you mean all big-name games? Spring uses OpenGL for rendering!

aGorm · Post by **aGorm** » 29 Nov 2005, 15:15

Open GL, like Driect X, is just a way for programers to not have to do a whole load of tedious coding to send comands driectly to teh graphics card. Insted they send comands to either OpenGL or Driect X, which lots at teh comands and shoves it at teh graphics card in a way it likes... saves time and makes smaller code (well in theroy...)

If Vista Does not have Open GL, its stupid!! All teh quake engins run better on OpenGL, as they were designed on it, and hundreds of other things use OpenGL, as its platform independant. By giving windows suxier OpenGl support, there just shotting themselves in the foot!

aGorm

PauloMorfeo · Post by **PauloMorfeo** » 29 Nov 2005, 17:59

"Microsoft's Vista may reduce OpenGL performance. Why?"

mufdvr222 · Post by **mufdvr222** » 30 Nov 2005, 10:44

aGorm wrote:PAL TV's run at 100hrts if any good. Only older TV's run at 50hrts (so they update the screen with teh same image twice at 50, 4 times at 100)

PAL's resolution is better. Its also got nothing to do with DVD's as Alantai is suggesting, the resoultion taht it comes out on your TV was decided when they first uped teh TV resolution to teh current standards (way way long time ago befor i remember...)

25FPS is the lowest you can go befor you will notice the drop, hence why teh smart british chose to use it as teh frame rate, and have a greater resolution, as opposed to americans that decided that they needed a needless extra 5 fps. Also 25 is neatly half of the refresh rate of the TV (or 1/4 opn newer ones) so the images are always showen exactly teh same number of times...

Of course all this is irelevent when HiDef is around teh corner, (were once again... we british have it better!! ) and taht is infact what teh nexgen counsols were desinged for.

I dont like XBox 360, nor PS3, but im temped by teh waky contolls on teh Revolution. Atleast thats different from what i can do on my computer!

aGorm

aGorm goes to the top of the class

you know your tv standards, might I add that due to the fact that every second line is in the opposite phase hence the term PAL " phase alternating lines" we enjoy much less picture quality degradation from a weak signal, PAL can tolerate more signal related problems without adversly affecting picture quality where with NTSC any loss in signal quality is reflected in the picture.

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 30 Nov 2005, 10:56

Who does vista not supporting openGL hurt most? An essay by SwiftSpear:

Game development firms.

I wonder how many companies would just switch over to lunix in protest of microsoft being fucktards to them?

Spring RTS Engine

Xbox 360: Was I right or what?