When conservatism goes wrong....

[K.B.] Napalm Cobra · Post by **[K.B.] Napalm Cobra** » 16 Nov 2005, 09:25

Well for that matter when does it ever go right? But anyway... http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/o ... man11.html

FizWizz · Post by **FizWizz** » 16 Nov 2005, 16:38

Gaahhh!!! those god-damned conservatives are trying to drag us back into the Middle Ages!!!!! Stop your friggin' xenophobic crusade against everything that's not what you are and try to HELP the world in a REAL way for a change!

Kuroneko · Post by **Kuroneko** » 16 Nov 2005, 17:58

Bah! Let Darwinism have it's way!

Michilus_nimbus · Post by **Michilus_nimbus** » 16 Nov 2005, 18:30

What the ...
Let's not make a vaccine against malaria then:

"I personally object to vaccinating children against a disease that is 100 percent preventable by staying away from mosquitoes"

"It sends the wrong message. Our concern is that this vaccine will be marketed to a segment of the population that should be getting a message about staying away from mosquitoes."

Weaver · Post by **Weaver** » 16 Nov 2005, 19:23

In the 1970s, Britain had similar teenage pregnancy rates to the rest of Europe. But while other countries got theirs down in the 1980s and 1990s, Britain├óÔé¼Ôäós rate stayed high. The latest available figures show that Britain├óÔé¼Ôäós teenage birth rate is five times that in Holland, three times higher than in France and double the rate in Germany. Other English-speaking countries such as Canada and New Zealand have teenage birth rates higher than ours. In the United States the rate is more than double that in the UK.

Full article http://www.dfes.gov.uk/highlights/article01.shtml

I guess we are doing something wrong, but we'll probably just argue for another 20 years rather than adopt Holland's solution.

FizWizz · Post by **FizWizz** » 16 Nov 2005, 19:27

can you point out where Holland's solution is? I just don't see it in that article...

Weaver · Post by **Weaver** » 16 Nov 2005, 19:51

FizWizz wrote:can you point out where Holland's solution is? I just don't see it in that article...

I am too subtle sometimes, the fact that it is missing is my point. Hollands solution seems to work, I don't know what it is, I suspect that has a lot to do with sex education, freedom of contraception for teenagers and a generaly better more open attitude to sex, but I just don't know.

I was hoping some one who does might tell us.

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 17 Nov 2005, 02:41

What i always thought is feelings are like gass's.

If you put pressure on a gas then it will simply push back harder untill it explodes the container. We all know this by simply compacting a spray bottle.

So if we compact our feelings on sex, violcnce or other things the extreamist right have called "Taboo" then they will simply build in pressure and explode.
Result: A unplanned, poorly thought out pregnancy that makes EVERYONE miserable. Or, in the case of violence, a highschool shooting, terrorist attack or something horrible.

So why do we need to have our feelings blottled up? Thats not going to make them go away! Why should i feel 'ashamed' about normal feelings, like thinking "Hey thats a nice looking blond", when they are exactly what i said: Normal Feelings.

Just my presonal feelings on this stuff.

[K.B.] Napalm Cobra · Post by **[K.B.] Napalm Cobra** » 17 Nov 2005, 05:18

You said feelings in that post way too many times to be straight, but I agree with the general idea.

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 17 Nov 2005, 06:26

Hey i likes me girl folk.

raikitsune · Post by **raikitsune** » 17 Nov 2005, 11:50

well i'm afraid i have to say no. i'll gladly have them immunised from alot of things but there are a few like the TB jab and such that i think they themselves should decide on.

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 17 Nov 2005, 12:19

raikitsune wrote:well i'm afraid i have to say no. i'll gladly have them immunised from alot of things but there are a few like the TB jab and such that i think they themselves should decide on.

I'd have to agree. Make immunizations compulary and all of a sudden the government can start putting whatever they want into your kids without us having any legal recourse. There are some decisions I think kids should make for themselfs, and parents need the option of giving them the time to grow up enough to reach that point. I do however think it should be illegal to withold information as to a persons vaccination record from them.

Can cancer be transfered through rape? Seems like a good enough reason to justify vaccines against fatal STD's to me.

FizWizz · Post by **FizWizz** » 17 Nov 2005, 16:54

I think that the poll does not match the subject matter... The article didn't raise anything about making vaccinations compulsory, it is only talking about making them available. There is a big difference there, between making a vaccination non-compulsory and making it illegal or banned, which is what the conservative side in the article wants. I do think that there should be compulsory vaccinations though, like TB and Hep vaccines. I also throw in chicken pox, although I never got it myself (I got sick with chicken pox, so the vaccine is unnecesary).

This reminds me of the ridiculous stink that was raised because a drug hit the market that helped/prevented some heart condition in blacks. I believe it was just that the mechanism by which the medicine worked happened to be something that made it only work in black people. A group of people raised a stink about it because they thought that it implied that black people had a biological weakness (and hence, and inferiority) compared to other races. What a load of bull. In my opinion, if a certain medicine happens to work for you, consider yourself lucky instead of trying to be so high and mighty about it.

Same deal here. If somebody came up with a cure for cervical cancer, a disease that kills people, by the way , it ought to be used to try to save lives. Witholding the cure to a disease is tantamount to condemning the diseased to death, which is a disgusting position to support. There's a real "culture of life" opinion for you.

[K.B.] Napalm Cobra · Post by **[K.B.] Napalm Cobra** » 17 Nov 2005, 22:49

In responce to SwiftSpear and raikitsune,

Making them compulsory doesn't mean they can do whatever they want, we do afterall live in relative democracies, with checks and balances and the all important independant reviews.

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 17 Nov 2005, 23:18

Then again why WOULDENT you want to get an imminization for a fatal STD? Thats just stuipid!

Also, Swiftspear, dont you think that "the goverment is drugging me" sentament is a "little" parionoid?

[K.B.] Napalm Cobra · Post by **[K.B.] Napalm Cobra** » 18 Nov 2005, 06:23

Flurine in the water supply is a communist conspiracy!

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 18 Nov 2005, 07:27

Zoombie wrote:Then again why WOULDENT you want to get an imminization for a fatal STD? Thats just stuipid!

Also, Swiftspear, dont you think that "the goverment is drugging me" sentament is a "little" parionoid?

Its absolutly paranoyed. But in a free country I want the right to belive it if I want to. Hell no are my kids dodging the injections, those little bastards are getting every life saving shot I can give them. The fact of the matter remains, you aren't free if the government is defining compulsory behaviors that aren't in reactions to behaviors you are doing. The govenment has the right to some control over cause and effect issue, like if you kill someone, they throw you in the clink, but I don't think they should be legally allowed to require you to do anything simply because you were born. Not doing government supported procedures I would never call wize... but it should be legal.

PauloMorfeo · Post by **PauloMorfeo** » 18 Nov 2005, 14:27

Sometimes, actually i mean many times, most religions (except asiatic ones) seem all about sucking all fun out of people's lives, expecting people to abstain from all forms of fun and living like mindless self-sacrifing zombies.

This is exceptionally funny when the devil is said to run among us disguised as a sheep. Or maybe as a priest!?

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 18 Nov 2005, 16:12

PauloMorfeo wrote:Sometimes, actually i mean many times, most religions (except asiatic ones) seem all about sucking all fun out of people's lives, expecting people to abstain from all forms of fun and living like mindless self-sacrifing zombies.

This is exceptionally funny when the devil is said to run among us disguised as a sheep. Or maybe as a priest!?

Have you looked at the hindus recently?

To be honest the whole point of realigion is to create mindsets and states of beings in humans that allow them happiness that trancends the primal instinctual pleasure. The search for joy is the prominent aspect of most middle eastern religions, and even to some degree asiatic ones. Mindlessness is the exact opposite goal of religion, it's just become popular because thinking is harder then not thinking. If you can just make up and belive stuff you don't have to quantify your belifes against reality, you just twist reality to look like whatever best suits your weird ass belifes.

Min3mat · Post by **Min3mat** » 18 Nov 2005, 19:26

twist reality for my own twisted pleasure? don'#t mind if i do :D

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