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Post by **Tim Blokdijk** » 07 Aug 2007, 12:49

AF wrote:...
Lobby competition would be healthy. It drives ahead co-operation, increases the developer userbase, and gives developers a reason to actively look for and implement new features.

Look at the AI scene, for a longtime, competition was the sole factor driving AI devs to make better and better AIs for spring.

Having said that, in a system with many rival projects co-existing, merges forks and competition come naturally.
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I don't think lobby competition is healthy as we have something like 5 dysfunctional lobby's for Linux. I blame the lack of teamwork and development processes for that. Competition can be a driving factor as long as all party's can "win". So you would need some rules to make it a fair competition. I think this can be done with AI's for example. But I don't think it's useful for a lobby.
Most Spring developers have other motivations then "competition" to drive them. I like to see Spring as a form of social hobby activity having to think of others as "rivals" will put me off.

Masure · Post by **Masure** » 07 Aug 2007, 12:49

I'm not against competition cause, as you say, it's positive. But it sounded a bit different in your post. But nevermind, I probably missunderstood.

So the only regret is the lack of Betalord's time. Hope he'll be able to merge that soon.

AF · Post by AF » 07 Aug 2007, 13:29

Thats the difference between all out competition and friendly rivalry, right now if a rival lobby needs a leg up to stay in the race Ill help them. My only concern is tasclient is so awkward to compile I cant do that and neither can many others.

Satirik · Post by **Satirik** » 07 Aug 2007, 15:15

next updated lobby build on its way !

edit : - Run a demo replay with the right spring version if springVERSION.exe exists (eg : spring0.74b3.exe)

UBER FEATURE !!

tc- · Post by **tc-** » 07 Aug 2007, 16:42

I found a bug in TASClient when testing out SpringLobby and I'm not sure where to post it, so here will do I hope.

When server is changing to linage mode it's not updated in TASClient. This happned both when server was TASClient or SpringLobby. With SpringLobby as client the change is registerd so it's probably not a server issue.

AF · Post by AF » 07 Aug 2007, 17:03

Thats a bgu with TASServer IIRC. Quite a number fo bgus were fixed in TASServer but the server wasnt and hasnt been restarted since.

For example, svn is able to use the #[] channel but #[] is a bad channel name in the current server.

Satirik · Post by **Satirik** » 07 Aug 2007, 17:16

tc- wrote:I found a bug in TASClient when testing out SpringLobby and I'm not sure where to post it, so here will do I hope.

When server is changing to linage mode it's not updated in TASClient. This happned both when server was TASClient or SpringLobby. With SpringLobby as client the change is registerd so it's probably not a server issue.

fixed

Satirik · Post by **Satirik** » 08 Aug 2007, 19:43

what do you think of adding a button "Related sites" or "?" or tell me what, next to Search UF that show a popupmenu with a link to the wiki, the messageboard, the bug tracker, unknown-files, spring league, spring replays, spring mark (i know some of you hates it) ...

Neddie · Post by **Neddie** » 08 Aug 2007, 20:59

That would be a useful feature. If you could have a secondary dropdown when the focus is on Wiki, perhaps you could have it load and display the major categories available from the main page as well.

LBPB · Post by **LBPB** » 09 Aug 2007, 13:36

I just dled the last version.
Nice you've added the lock team option. Its 100% uber useful.

Satirik wrote:what do you think of adding a button "Related sites" or "?" or tell me what, next to Search UF that show a popupmenu with a link to the wiki, the messageboard, the bug tracker, unknown-files, spring league, spring replays, spring mark (i know some of you hates it) ...

yeah just remove that shity option button

Satirik · Post by **Satirik** » 09 Aug 2007, 13:42

i'll remove the springmark button if i add a Useful link button

Satirik · Post by **Satirik** » 12 Aug 2007, 19:21

should the lobby sort the players by ally team ? and put some kind of separator between them ?

Masure · Post by **Masure** » 13 Aug 2007, 11:12

Why not.

You could sort the list by ally and add a top item to the list for each ally. In this top split line, try to add ally info like player count.

This would probably mess up the code with this dummy line and the column definition wouldn't be right for it.

Satirik · Post by **Satirik** » 14 Aug 2007, 02:07

Masure wrote:Why not.

You could sort the list by ally and add a top item to the list for each ally. In this top split line, try to add ally info like player count.

This would probably mess up the code with this dummy line and the column definition wouldn't be right for it.

i tried but i don't like , when you have 16players + 4 lines for teams + 1 line for spectator you don't see the whole list and scrolling to see if the game is balanced, or in what team a player is ... is not good for an overall knowledge of you battle

LBPB · Post by **LBPB** » 14 Aug 2007, 12:08

One thing that would be cool now, is improving the 'disable units' fonction.

Now with the numerous mods availables it become really hard to know each single units codename. And so disabling one of them is really hard if you dont know his correct codename.

A solution to help recognize easily an units would be to show the buildpic linked with his codename.
All buildpics are stored in the same folder in the mod zip file.

Was just my 2 cents improving the lobby...

Masure · Post by **Masure** » 14 Aug 2007, 13:35

I understand the request but I never played games with restricted units. Did you ?

LBPB · Post by **LBPB** » 14 Aug 2007, 14:52

Masure wrote:I understand the request but I never played games with restricted units. Did you ?

Yes it can append

Satirik · Post by **Satirik** » 14 Aug 2007, 16:18

i could add the full name of the unit instead of its code name as in the "Disable Unit Dialog" but for the icons ... i will try

ZellSF · Post by **ZellSF** » 14 Aug 2007, 18:23

Awesome changes, but imo sorting of the playerlist by teams should be an option as Spring uses the order of players joined for start positions, and knowing who the host is is usually pretty important, and easy to find out when you know he's the one at the top of the list.

Edit: And I've played games with restriced units, weasels and snipers, when those were overpowered. And I've sometimes disabled LRPCs because I hate them and I've often considered disabling t1 air transports.

Satirik · Post by **Satirik** » 14 Aug 2007, 18:31

ZellSF wrote:Awesome changes, but imo sorting of the playerlist by teams should be an option as Spring uses the order of players joined for start positions, and knowing who the host is is usually pretty important, and easy to find out when you know he's the one at the top of the list.

Edit: And I've played games with restriced units, weasels and snipers, when those were overpowered. And I've sometimes disabled LRPCs because I hate them and I've often considered disabling t1 air transports.

ill add something to show the hoster in the list and it just sort the display list not the real one

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