Absolute Annihilation 2.11
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I've been told there's a new version of Spring coming in the very near future, so I'm going to post the second beta in a few minutes.
I've had to revert perimeter cameras to land-only for the time being.
...oh boy. I think I'm about to get banned.... here comes the slopes discussion again.
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I'm completely at a loss as to what to do with slope tolerance. I'm currently leaning towards adopting the XTA standard for vehicle movement, with a maxslope of 16. This way, all TA based mods will have consistent movement abilities. Most maps I've looked at in the last hour won't be affected by this at all. It'll basically just mean that vehicles are slower to climb hills while faster on even terrain, and vice versa for kbots. It will also make it *dramatically* easier on map makers.
If I'm going to make a change, it has to be now, before SM3 maps start to come out with terrains AA can no longer be played on.
My original plan was to drop vehicle tolerance down to 20. This eliminated much of the problem I saw on the maps I was looking at, at the time. There were no longer hills clearly meant not to be climbed, benig climbed by vehicles. But now I look at Small Divide and Mars, and even with reduced tolerance, tanks can climb into the most ridiculous places you can imagine.
This has been a real eye-opener for me. I think it would be negligent and irresponsible of me to not reduce slope tolerance on vehicles, regardless of any initial criticism of the change.
I'm going to spend tomorrow morning fine-tuning things, THEN finally post this second beta I've been talking about for so long.
Overall, I'm very pleased with 2.2's gameplay. Naval balance seems to be much-improved, although I'm sure it's still rough around the edges, but we can clear that up in time. The only thing holding me back from calling it 2.2 final, not beta, is that I want people like Revenge to have an opportunity to update their stuff to work with the wide variety of changes. For instance, all movementclasses have been renamed more logically. Tanksh2 is now just tank2 (Tank 2x2). tankdh3 is just atank3 (Amphibious Tank 3x3). 3x3tank is now just htank3 (Heavy Tank 3x3)... and so on.
I've had to revert perimeter cameras to land-only for the time being.
...oh boy. I think I'm about to get banned.... here comes the slopes discussion again.
~~~
I'm completely at a loss as to what to do with slope tolerance. I'm currently leaning towards adopting the XTA standard for vehicle movement, with a maxslope of 16. This way, all TA based mods will have consistent movement abilities. Most maps I've looked at in the last hour won't be affected by this at all. It'll basically just mean that vehicles are slower to climb hills while faster on even terrain, and vice versa for kbots. It will also make it *dramatically* easier on map makers.
If I'm going to make a change, it has to be now, before SM3 maps start to come out with terrains AA can no longer be played on.
My original plan was to drop vehicle tolerance down to 20. This eliminated much of the problem I saw on the maps I was looking at, at the time. There were no longer hills clearly meant not to be climbed, benig climbed by vehicles. But now I look at Small Divide and Mars, and even with reduced tolerance, tanks can climb into the most ridiculous places you can imagine.
This has been a real eye-opener for me. I think it would be negligent and irresponsible of me to not reduce slope tolerance on vehicles, regardless of any initial criticism of the change.
I'm going to spend tomorrow morning fine-tuning things, THEN finally post this second beta I've been talking about for so long.
Overall, I'm very pleased with 2.2's gameplay. Naval balance seems to be much-improved, although I'm sure it's still rough around the edges, but we can clear that up in time. The only thing holding me back from calling it 2.2 final, not beta, is that I want people like Revenge to have an opportunity to update their stuff to work with the wide variety of changes. For instance, all movementclasses have been renamed more logically. Tanksh2 is now just tank2 (Tank 2x2). tankdh3 is just atank3 (Amphibious Tank 3x3). 3x3tank is now just htank3 (Heavy Tank 3x3)... and so on.
That's very interesting, looks like I have some MORE work to do, thanks . But really, if you've pretty much finalized the new balancing, I will balance my new units accordingly. This will allow me to finally implement the new hovercraft build tree [I have most of the units I want, just not a satisfying balance yet], which is probably the most significant part of my work so far. As for overkill, no news from his side so I'll just assume hes too busy uh working to reply to my pm spam .
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Alot of times those Banisher Prop rockets never return after they fire the first time.
But you're right, its not a big deal and even if they're visible do you really notice them?
Wish Spring had screenshake like OTA though, I remember a couple mods that used that banisher tank and each time a rocket exploded everything would shake
But you're right, its not a big deal and even if they're visible do you really notice them?
Wish Spring had screenshake like OTA though, I remember a couple mods that used that banisher tank and each time a rocket exploded everything would shake
No typo on the bulldog range buff. L2 tanks are now more logically balanced.... when I update the unit guide you'll be able to see better. The best part is, amphibious tanks even factor into the way they're balanced. There's a lot of newfound variety to be had.
Edit: oh, never explained my reasoning on the bulldog buff. Remember that bulldogs no longer have the power to fling units across the map at will, and the same is true of goliaths. So now I compared the bulldog vs goliath stats and found that not only did goliath have a hefty damage advantage, its range was also about 150 units longer than the bulldog's!
I'm a little disappointed that Argh hasn't gotten back to me about the way his flamethrowers work. I've certainly improved the look of them tremendously by studying his pictures and trying to replicate the effect, but ideally I would've liked to get an idea of exactly what values he was using and then tweaking those to suit AA. I wonder if I've done something to upset him? Anyway, here's the 2.2b1->2.2b2 changelog. Download coming shortly, I'm posting it now. No password this time, but still let's try to keep this release reasonably small. I'd like to wait until .73 is posted before I make the wide-scale official 2.2 release. I've removed the "BETA" note from the version name, so there will be confusion if people get this file and then can't play with people who get the offical file when it's available.
Edit: oh, never explained my reasoning on the bulldog buff. Remember that bulldogs no longer have the power to fling units across the map at will, and the same is true of goliaths. So now I compared the bulldog vs goliath stats and found that not only did goliath have a hefty damage advantage, its range was also about 150 units longer than the bulldog's!
I'm a little disappointed that Argh hasn't gotten back to me about the way his flamethrowers work. I've certainly improved the look of them tremendously by studying his pictures and trying to replicate the effect, but ideally I would've liked to get an idea of exactly what values he was using and then tweaking those to suit AA. I wonder if I've done something to upset him? Anyway, here's the 2.2b1->2.2b2 changelog. Download coming shortly, I'm posting it now. No password this time, but still let's try to keep this release reasonably small. I'd like to wait until .73 is posted before I make the wide-scale official 2.2 release. I've removed the "BETA" note from the version name, so there will be confusion if people get this file and then can't play with people who get the offical file when it's available.
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2.2b1 --> 2.2b2
Fixed lingering Claw/Maw bugs
Maverick weapon reverted, speed reduced to 1.65 (1.8)
Fixed a missing texture bug
EMP spider weapon given paralyzetime
More slope tolerance and maxwaterdepth adjustments
Sumo walking animation sped up slightly so it doesn't look like it's
skating or something
Commando walking script fixed (thanks to Archangel)
Commando minimum cloaking distance increased
Aircraft plants' yardmap adjusted, units should no longer get stuck
in them (thanks to TradeMark)
Janus, Leveler weapon impulsefactor increased
Jeffy, Weasel, Flea energy cost reduced
Carrier handling improved
Vanguard weapon velocity increased by 40
Morty weapon groundflash size increased
Floating radar can no longer be built on land, given range ring
Many mine stats adjusted, models shrunk on the Y axis to make them
look less silly
Minelayers can no longer do anything but build, given short-range
jamming, speed/handling improved, build distance reduced
Minesweeping bug fixed (how long has it been like that?!)
Air LoS boost eliminated
Radar tower LoS reduced a little
Increased nanotower workertime to 200 (150), removed "move" button
Mobile Annihilator aiming cone increased to 180 degrees (135)
Sniper is now manual-fire only
Removed a TON of useless FBI/TDF tags
Dot Of Shrouded Mystery removed from beneath Dragonfly
Hold Fire bug fixed
Bombers (Liche included) now only attack the target assigned
Hurricane buildpic redone
Transport hovers leave wake again
Subs should no longer go underground
Zeus fold/unfold animation speed increased
Underwater nuclear mines removed
Flamethrower graphics improved with new FX system (thanks to Argh)
Pyro now has a proper pilot light, not that polygonal stuff ^^
(thanks to JCnossen)
Units can no longer damage themselves with their own weapons
Laser corethickness adjusted for more color
Viper FPS exploitability reduced
Naval balance finalized
Perimeter cameras are no longer amphibious (to remove an exploit)
Commander in (A) has proper resource stats
New buildpic for core floating mine
Movementclasses completely overhauled
If Min3mat only has one sarcastic complaint, you know it's a good set of changes.
Couple questions:
Couple questions:
Does this mean like the D-Gun, or that it only fires at things when given an attack order?Caydr wrote: Sniper is now manual-fire only
If they don't have an assigned target, will they still blow up everything they can find?Caydr wrote: Bombers (Liche included) now only attack the target assigned
Bombers, Liche, and Sniper are will now only attack the targets they are given, and then stop attacking, even if they're being attacked.
Doesn't necessarily sound like a great change until you think about it. How many times has your sniper wasted a shot on something because you forget to set him to hold fire? How many times has a Liche attacked the first thing it sees, wasting the bomb that was meant for a nuke factory or something? How many times have bombers refused to obey orders, even move orders, because they want to attack something instead? All that is resolved now.
2.2 Beta 2: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ta-a ... p?download
Again, NOT a final release but we're on a tight schedule now so bug reporting better come fast!
Doesn't necessarily sound like a great change until you think about it. How many times has your sniper wasted a shot on something because you forget to set him to hold fire? How many times has a Liche attacked the first thing it sees, wasting the bomb that was meant for a nuke factory or something? How many times have bombers refused to obey orders, even move orders, because they want to attack something instead? All that is resolved now.
2.2 Beta 2: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ta-a ... p?download
Again, NOT a final release but we're on a tight schedule now so bug reporting better come fast!
Caydr wrote:
Doesn't necessarily sound like a great change until you think about it. How many times has your sniper wasted a shot on something because you forget to set him to hold fire? How many times has a Liche attacked the first thing it sees, wasting the bomb that was meant for a nuke factory or something? How many times have bombers refused to obey orders, even move orders, because they want to attack something instead? All that is resolved now.
Well, untill the devs fix the buggy aircode it's the best solution i guess...
But leaving bombers alone after the important targets are done is VERY Effective FYI. They'll target one thing each and then bomb it to oblivion! :D
Because units could be tricked into destroying themselves... for instance, llts and such... was stupid. For some reason it doesn't even work with all weapons.
Things I've changed already:
Things I've changed already:
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2.2b2 --> 2.2 - "Buy a Wii or I'll Set You on Fire" Edition
Removed quasi-baseplate from Core Solar
Arm moho mex is no longer cloaked by default
Radar LoS ranges fixed
Implemented gradual reclaim and multi-reclaim
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