The title pretty much gives it away: I probably created the ugliest Spring map ever to be seen by man!
I actually don't think it's very strange, since it's my first map, I just copied the original map texture and heightmap and I probably picked out one of the most complex maps, Militairy base, but that doesn't take away the fact it's ASS UGLY.
feature list:
-Totally misaligned texture and heightmap
-Incredible floating trees
-Trees EVERYWHERE (which fortunatly can be burned away)
-Totally messed up bridges
I am currently making a (hopefully) improved version, with a heavily modified texturemap (blue watercolor removed, bridges changed) and (hopefully) aligned texture and heightmap.
EDIT: Just noticed 100webspace doesn't allow external links, I'll upload it to another webspace
Ladies and gentlemen, I have created a monster!
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Michilus_nimbus
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Ladies and gentlemen, I have created a monster!
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[K.B.] Napalm Cobra
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Michilus_nimbus
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SporkNinja
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, I have created a monster!
eh im not the only one who ported over military base but i didn't have any sevre problems like... i wonder if zwzsg ok i think i sense bloodlust from him... He warned me about if i try to port it over becareful since the hieght is messed up permantly you would have to spend a whole lot of time fixing the mistakes the maker of the map left but this map was never intended to play in fully 3d environments either... tho the only problem i had when i ported it over was height problems left behind the former map creator of this mapMichilus_nimbus wrote:The title pretty much gives it away: I probably created the ugliest Spring map ever to be seen by man!
I actually don't think it's very strange, since it's my first map, I just copied the original map texture and heightmap and I probably picked out one of the most complex maps, Militairy base, but that doesn't take away the fact it's ASS UGLY.
feature list:
-Totally misaligned texture and heightmap
-Incredible floating trees
-Trees EVERYWHERE (which fortunatly can be burned away)
-Totally messed up bridges
I am currently making a (hopefully) improved version, with a heavily modified texturemap (blue watercolor removed, bridges changed) and (hopefully) aligned texture and heightmap.
EDIT: Just noticed 100webspace doesn't allow external links, I'll upload it to another webspace
but wait til zwzsg comes
lord have mercy he warned me not to maim his favorite map. so i never released it online.but as zwzsg said since this is your first time mapping in spring go off and do something easy without maiming the great name of this map... try making the cold place or something.. btw i have dibs on king of the hill and evad river confluence
I looked at your map I think you just need to use the -i command for the heightmap maybe that will align it correctly. You can also download the new mapconv that doesn't put trees where the texture is green. That will solve your tree problem. Shading is a bit more difficult you could copy rotate paste the parts that are shaded, but no 100% chance for success.
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Michilus_nimbus
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[K.B.] Napalm Cobra
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Why do so many people insists on butchering and maiming my fav map? Just get over the fact so you can't port a TA maps to Spring under five minutes without it looking hideous. I guess I'll have to hurry up and try to make a Military Base for spring myself.
Some thing to consider: the Spring heightmap is more precise than the TA heightmap. If when enlarging it you do some some sort of bicubic interpolation or whatever your image edit calls it, the edge are all rounded and it looks bad. If when enlarging it you don't do any interpolation of any kind, then all slopes are dented by plateau and it looks bad. A heigtmap that aligns to the texture map in Spring doesn't resuslt in a heightmap aligning in Spring. You'll have to cut a few lines on some sides and add a few lines to other sides until it looks well.
In TA, the texture map is viewed from a 63.435° angle. In spring it is viewed from a 90° angle. So, in TA the pyramids of MB have some faces shorter than other because of perspective, while they shouldn't in Spring.
Basically to make a good port of MB to Spring you'd have to entirely redo both the heightmap and the texture map.
Simpler maps like greenhaven can be converted brutally and still looks good because they don't have sharp edge, sharp texture changes, ground changing at once from flat to 45° slopes, etc...
If no one is willing to take the times to do dedicated new maps for Spring along and wants to rush doing bad port of TA maps, at least choose maps where it's possible. No green maps or maps with trees, as controlling tree density with spring map editorS is diffictult. Choose map with rather uniform colors, no features, and no brutal changes in the heightmap.
In TA the texture map has to be shaded, and the engine doesn't apply any shading to the map. In spring, the engine can applies the shading to the map. However, not everyone's machine can handle the shading. Using bland textures and let spring handle the shading has the following advantege: much much easier, shading always perfecly following the heightmap, craters and other terrain desctruction are dynamically reshaded. But it has the disantavage of not working and making the map looking awful on some machines. If possible, the best would be to use some preshading so the map still looks good for those with graphic cards not handling shading, and keep the .smd shading for craters and things like that.
Some thing to consider: the Spring heightmap is more precise than the TA heightmap. If when enlarging it you do some some sort of bicubic interpolation or whatever your image edit calls it, the edge are all rounded and it looks bad. If when enlarging it you don't do any interpolation of any kind, then all slopes are dented by plateau and it looks bad. A heigtmap that aligns to the texture map in Spring doesn't resuslt in a heightmap aligning in Spring. You'll have to cut a few lines on some sides and add a few lines to other sides until it looks well.
In TA, the texture map is viewed from a 63.435° angle. In spring it is viewed from a 90° angle. So, in TA the pyramids of MB have some faces shorter than other because of perspective, while they shouldn't in Spring.
Basically to make a good port of MB to Spring you'd have to entirely redo both the heightmap and the texture map.
Simpler maps like greenhaven can be converted brutally and still looks good because they don't have sharp edge, sharp texture changes, ground changing at once from flat to 45° slopes, etc...
If no one is willing to take the times to do dedicated new maps for Spring along and wants to rush doing bad port of TA maps, at least choose maps where it's possible. No green maps or maps with trees, as controlling tree density with spring map editorS is diffictult. Choose map with rather uniform colors, no features, and no brutal changes in the heightmap.
In TA the texture map has to be shaded, and the engine doesn't apply any shading to the map. In spring, the engine can applies the shading to the map. However, not everyone's machine can handle the shading. Using bland textures and let spring handle the shading has the following advantege: much much easier, shading always perfecly following the heightmap, craters and other terrain desctruction are dynamically reshaded. But it has the disantavage of not working and making the map looking awful on some machines. If possible, the best would be to use some preshading so the map still looks good for those with graphic cards not handling shading, and keep the .smd shading for craters and things like that.
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Warlord Zsinj
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CaptainExo
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Brings back some old memories... aaah, the days when you could get on one of the islands and just build fortifications all over it in TAUCP, lots of turrets, walls, etc. and just lock it up with some gates. 
zwzsg; people are people. If you do a well done remake of Military Base, I'll definitely download it.
zwzsg; people are people. If you do a well done remake of Military Base, I'll definitely download it.
A couple of the fiddly bits here and there look good, and that's where I used the smudge tool, so a little bluring should help, the texture isn't acctuallu uniform, it acctually different shades of brown all blurred together, because I was more worried about the height map looking like garbage... It would be really great to have more texturing on the vert... I remember hearing that it was possible, with the engine, to have 3D objects and features, but that mapconv didn't support them yet... any idea what the specs of these files are and if we could put in our own features?
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