[WIP] - My TA re-modeling and re-design

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 04 Aug 2008, 20:42

Decent UV mapping and texturing skills are more important than modeling tbh.

Das Bruce · Post by **Das Bruce** » 04 Aug 2008, 21:27

Probably not more important, they're links in the same chain, but definitely more sought after.

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 04 Aug 2008, 21:58

Even people like Yan can make a model

Hoi · Post by **Hoi** » 04 Aug 2008, 22:41

rattle wrote:Even people like Yan can make a model

he can make a texture too, but not a very good one, a bad model and a good texture should not exist, becaus your model and texture should be one thing

Cremuss · Post by **Cremuss** » 04 Aug 2008, 23:00

Bye rattle :)

Don't really need those kind of comments =)

Argh · Post by **Argh** » 04 Aug 2008, 23:13

If it makes you feel better, he's always like that, it's not just you

As for skinning... meh, don't stress. Get basic work done, lay out the uvs, etc., and go from there. Nobody said you needed to make masterpieces on your first go at this.

Hoi · Post by **Hoi** » 04 Aug 2008, 23:16

Argh wrote:If it makes you feel better, he's always like that, it's not just you

get your flame resistant clothing, quickly!

rattle, serious he's making models and then you just say, ah models arnt really important, texture and uv is way more important....

Argh · Post by **Argh** » 04 Aug 2008, 23:21

What rattle's saying is true. Put rudely, yeah, but that's not to say it's wrong.

The uvmap and the skin end up communicating the model to players. A lousy skin can destroy the most brilliant geometry, but the reverse is definitely not the case. Which is why good skinners are always in very short supply. Modeling's not easy, mind ye- it's sculptural design. But without a skin to complement it, it'll look flat and ugly. It's just the way it goes, I'm afraid.

Forboding Angel · Post by **Forboding Angel** » 04 Aug 2008, 23:28

Cremuss wrote:@ Forboding Angel : Take it and do what you wants with it ^^

http://cremuss.free.fr/fodb/files/guard ... ian2.blend
I think i'll add .obj files later, Blender is a 30mb free software, I don't think it's really a problem actually ^^
Do you need .obj or .blend is ok ? =)

I would prefer Obj If possible. Just export the entire object as an obj, no need to UV it, I can do that myself.

Thanks!

Hoi · Post by **Hoi** » 04 Aug 2008, 23:30

there are 2 "looks" how it looks, and the shape, and no matter how nice you'd texture it a square would always feel diffrent than a tri, the model is the base of what you have and will have, and is just as important as the texture, you can just ruin everything easyer by making a bad texture.

Saktoth · Post by **Saktoth** » 05 Aug 2008, 00:19

For spring, you can really use a lot more polygons. Use them EFFECIENTLY, like smoth says, but dont limit detail due to polycount.

TA is 10 years old, you dont need to limit yourself to under 300 or even under 1000. You can have several thousand polygons on the larger/rarer units no problems. You certainly dont need 6-sided barrels.

Anyway, CA is very interested in using any models, but we really need texture artists. We have people capable of producing pretty good quality models, but no textures.

@Treeform: CA can really use those models.

BaNa · Post by **BaNa** » 05 Aug 2008, 01:18

I love these models! keep up the good work. I hope they get the textures these beautiful models deserve.

Cremuss · Post by **Cremuss** » 05 Aug 2008, 03:42

@ Argh : I'm agree with rattle, but the way he said that is a bit useless for the thread and for the people, in my mind

But I don't feel bad about what he said, he's just giving his opinion

Moreover, if he is always like that, I'll do my best to ignore it

Warlord Zsinj · Post by **Warlord Zsinj** » 05 Aug 2008, 03:45

I agree with cremus. While he could easily go above what he has used for units, he really doesn't need too. Most of these have enough detail, especially for generic static buildings. And as he said, the texture will make up 70% of the unit visuals anyway.

Saktoth · Post by **Saktoth** » 05 Aug 2008, 04:57

I think the mex and estore look good and are detailed enough (though all those greebles and its still 6-sided... though that looks like an intentional design decision to have it blocky). The e-store is especially stylish and CA can probably use it if it gets a texture (we already have models for both mexes, and the mex is a bit derivative which we want to steer clear of for IP reasons).

The adv solar though, is utterly uninspired. Probably because its based on the origional, which was a totally rubbish model to begin with.

I dont know much about what kind of polycount spring can really handle, but Licho and jK, who do, tell me we could use like 10x what we do with no performance hit. Spherebot has around 1k pollies and you see hundreds of them on screen at once, they dont lag, theres just no reason to use 6-sided cylinders, if we're making new models they might as well look good up close too (though distance recognition is always CA's priority).

Warlord Zsinj · Post by **Warlord Zsinj** » 05 Aug 2008, 06:45

However, high poly units can often need larger maps to lend enough texture detail to their geometrically detailed elements, which definitely does decrease performance.

Forboding Angel · Post by **Forboding Angel** » 05 Aug 2008, 20:49

Spring will render the stuff as being smooth in most cases.

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 05 Aug 2008, 21:13

What I was trying to say was that everyone can figure out how to make a neat looking model (on the outside) but no one wants to spend time on acquiring the skills you need to produce quality content which is what "we" need.

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 05 Aug 2008, 21:18

rattle wrote:What I was trying to say was that everyone can figure out how to make a neat looking model (on the outside) but no one wants to spend time on acquiring the skills you need to produce quality content which is what "we" need.

That pidgeon hole's me pretty well. Although, I can UV map fairly decently too.

Cremuss · Post by **Cremuss** » 06 Aug 2008, 01:52

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