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Great Divide 2

Posted: 14 May 2005, 13:20
by Warlord
yup, conversion to spring, real credits to moho for making the actual map for ota.

(screenies at last post)

first map i made, so if it sucks well.. err damn :/

feedback needed pls

download: (updated version)

some creds to nitrus aswell for his mapconv which removes the tree thing

Posted: 14 May 2005, 13:27
by Torrasque
Fear Zwzsg's wrath ;)

I think for such map, I could be better to remake the texture map with terragen or TerrTexGen (

Posted: 14 May 2005, 14:02
by [K.B.] Napalm Cobra
Well that looks like SHIT. And no, I'm not being overly dramatic.
When will people learn that you can't use the exact same textures for spring as for TA?

Posted: 14 May 2005, 14:28
by Storm
Include "-i" in the mapconv command.

Posted: 14 May 2005, 14:38
by Torrasque
-i arg...many thanks Storm :)

Posted: 14 May 2005, 14:55
by zwzsg
You do realise the texture map is misaligned to the heightmap by the size of a gantry a least, and that it shows a lot, right?

It doesn't look right to see the blue of water ponds painted over a near vertical cliff. It doesn't look right to have mountaineous texture on flat land. It doesn't look right to have hill completly green, and next to it hilly textures completly flat.

What you can do is: cut of few lines of the heightmap, and add them back to the other side of the heightmap, so the heightmap image is shifted while keeping its dimension.

With a single glance at the minimap I can see the nort-south was inverted on the heightmap. How comes you don't see it?

I see no metal spots. I assume you've turned GD2 into a metal map. I think the changes in gameplay it implies are rather majors.

I undersand that you want to turn all your favorite TA maps into Spring map. But I wish you'd realise it's not just a matter of exporting texture map and heightmap and directly feeding them to mapconv. You've got:
- Check that the heightmap isn't inverted with the texture map. At least for the first time. Later you'll learn about the -i switch.
- Check that the heightmap isn't shifted with the texture map. You've got to recenter it until it fits as closely as possible.
- Re-add metal spots. Yes, it takes a bit more times, but it is possible to get metal spot that show in normal view and that give as much metal as in the orignal map, as proven by mufdvr222 2nd edition of Lava Highground.
- Change the .smd values to get correct wind, fitting sky (not a issue here), accurate gravity, correct start position, etc... You can see them in the "map properties" of Annihilator, or by looking with notepad at the .ota of the OTA map.

And those aren't the step to get a perfect gorgeous map, just the step to avoid complete rubbishness. Ultimately, to get a really good-looking port, you'll realise that you may have to redo it entirely. I understand that you don't have the skill or the time to do that, and that you don't want to spend more than 5 minutes before being able to claim that you made a spring map, but then you could at least fix the heighmap alignement. It would really make the map a lot better, and isn't difficult at all to do.

Spring is a magnificient engine, capable of running gorgeous maps, but by releasing two-minutes conversion, you're deserving it.

I tried to refrain me from flaming, but ARG!!! you'd deserve it for realeasing a map with such a blatantly wrong heightmap.

Posted: 14 May 2005, 21:16
by Caydr
I've always thought this map was abysmal. I wonder why it's gotten so popular in places like Zone? (maybe I've just answered my own question)

Posted: 14 May 2005, 23:14
by Doomweaver
remake the texture, and add something a little more interesting than just flat land across the rest. Apart from that, its not as bad as everyone has made out!

Posted: 15 May 2005, 00:14
by zwzsg
It is worse than everyone has made out.

Oh, I forgot to mention that Spring is shipped with Small Divide, which is a much better looking interpretation of GD2.

Posted: 15 May 2005, 00:16
by Buggi
wow zwzsg... I'm glad you didn't pound on my map :D

A thankful,

Posted: 21 May 2005, 19:13
by Warlord
k, i've fixed all the height bugs, start pos bugs, also changed the sky that fits with the lush and added a nice green luschy tint. :)

Posted: 22 May 2005, 19:35
by Warlord
screenies of updates...
Greenish tint =D
Fixed height =)

Posted: 22 May 2005, 20:52
by Neuralize
Eeeegh, units are too green, lay off a little on that. :/

Posted: 22 May 2005, 20:53
by NOiZE
sorry to say it, but this map looks ugly