Absolute Annihilation 2.23

tombom · Post by **tombom** » 13 Oct 2006, 11:07

Got a missing texture "32xgourad0" or similar and "colorsdk0". This was in a game constantly giving "error side > 9" that crashed quickly so it may just be a Spring unrepeatable problem.

NOiZE · Post by **NOiZE** » 13 Oct 2006, 11:53

Why the hell does a radar cost 110 metal?

Their range is kinda shitty and they cost 110 Metal, thats like a gator...

Why the hell does a metalmaker cost 68 Metal!

First i spent too much metal on solars so i would like get a tiny fraction of that back, BUT NOOO i need to spend half a gator first!! They should cost 0 metal, so you can build them quickly when you are M-stalling!

Cabbage · Post by **Cabbage** » 13 Oct 2006, 13:31

yup, MM's should cost 0 metal again, and radars should be put back to their 2.11 range and costs (including sonars/naval radars).

Edit: the 2.11 radar already had its range reduced by 1/3 compared to either the previous version or the one before that..

Dwarden · Post by **Dwarden** » 13 Oct 2006, 13:41

my wishes
shield structure change not visible shield effect while being build

"new or readded" units:

get back long range "bertha" vehicle units
(maybe abuse low/high alt trajectory in way when switched to low alt they can't fire but can move while switched to high alt they can fire but can't move)
get back repulsing tower TechLevel 1.5 (short effect radius, high power demanding but faster to build that shield) ...
get some "mobile nuke like" submarine BM holder

MM should cost some metal maybe try 50% and same goes for radar ...

MR.D · Post by **MR.D** » 13 Oct 2006, 13:48

I agree that Metal-Makers are a bit too pricey.

68 Metal
2000 Energy
and 100 E per tick for +1 metal.

They're highly volatile, they chain react in a wide area, leave no wreckage, and they look funny too

I disagree that they should be 0 metal, but 68 is a bit high.

ITs a real bummer when you have excess energy, lack of metal and have to spend so much for so little.

A fair price In my opinion would be.
M = 20-35
E = 1400-1650

MR.D · Post by **MR.D** » 13 Oct 2006, 13:52

a cruise missle sub.....

TradeMark · Post by **TradeMark** » 13 Oct 2006, 13:59

OMFG. i didnt even know they cost metal.

That makes no sense, why metal cost that much, it was good as it was. Why change every damn thing in the mod... there was nothing wrong with the old costs.

Any metal maker shouldnt cost metal at all. >__<

And why did the cloakable fusions get removed??

Hellspawn · Post by **Hellspawn** » 13 Oct 2006, 14:09

I agree with Noize and Cabbage about radar/mm idea.

Belmakor · Post by **Belmakor** » 13 Oct 2006, 14:16

NOiZE wrote:Why the hell does a radar cost 110 metal?

Their range is kinda shitty and they cost 110 Metal, thats like a gator...

Why the hell does a metalmaker cost 68 Metal!

First i spent too much metal on solars so i would like get a tiny fraction of that back, BUT NOOO i need to spend half a gator first!! They should cost 0 metal, so you can build them quickly when you are M-stalling!

+infinity

68 metal for a metal maker is just completely insane. They don't have to be necessarily 0, but they should be very very close to 0, for exactly the reason Noize mentioned.

Bhaal · Post by **Bhaal** » 13 Oct 2006, 15:20

i think just reduce radar costs and let the range :)

so you have to cover the map with radars and this takes a lot of your time btu gives you a big advantage because you know your enemy ;P

Lippy · Post by **Lippy** » 13 Oct 2006, 15:20

I dont think 68 Metal is all that bad, in fact i like it better this way as it requires some input to get better resources in the long run, instead of just building them easily when you have too much energy. It also means that destorying them does actually hinder their economy, as normally they can just get a con to build them back, with all the extra e thats around (due to the old ones being destroyed)

Hellspawn · Post by **Hellspawn** » 13 Oct 2006, 15:50

Lippy wrote:I dont think 68 Metal is all that bad, in fact i like it better this way as it requires some input to get better resources in the long run, instead of just building them easily when you have too much energy. It also means that destorying them does actually hinder their economy, as normally they can just get a con to build them back, with all the extra e thats around (due to the old ones being destroyed)

That would be all fine and good if games would be 4h long. But since they don't last that long suhc investment isn't really worth.

Post by **jcnossen** » 13 Oct 2006, 16:57

I really don't like the variant letter codes... What's wrong with just using a proper name?

Zirjin · Post by **Zirjin** » 13 Oct 2006, 16:58

I got my naval balance version online and created a seperate thread for it.

It is known as Variant N. :)

PM me if you want the link since I can't post an URL due to my account being new and spam protection kicking in on new accounts.

Neddie · Post by **Neddie** » 13 Oct 2006, 20:15

I support the idea of lowering MM and Radar metal costs, but I believe the other aspects are fine as is.

jackalope · Post by **jackalope** » 13 Oct 2006, 20:53

I also think MM and Radar are too expensive.

I like the current radar range, because:

1. it make b uilding an advanced radar much more useful, in 2.11 you didn't really need them

2. it is easier to hide secret bases/armies from enemies, unless they take the effort to scout or build a radar network.

Also, with MM's costing 68 metal, that means each metal maker needs 68 seconds and 6800 energy just to break even on the metal it cost (note that it will take 68 seconds only if you have a constant surplus of E and don't need to bother with MMAI, which rarely happens.) This doesn't even take into account the buildtime and energy costs of the MM.

I think 15 metal would be a good compromise for the MM. It's not free like 2.11, but at the same time it is something you can afford when you are metal stalling.

However, I think Moho metal makers costing metal is fine. You should have a huge economy before you start building those anyways.

Foxomaniac · Post by **Foxomaniac** » 14 Oct 2006, 00:27

For the love of gawd, revert the bulldog buff.

They REALLY DO NOT need a 100 range buff.

A small bulldog force is a pain in the butt to deal with.

Seriously.

De-buff reapers/bulldogs.

Min3mat · Post by **Min3mat** » 14 Oct 2006, 00:44

2.7k metal for the fac...
means they should only come out midgame (or early - midgame if nice MC or small no's for rush)
any earlier = death
and as a game should it progresses from t1 -> t2
stfu bout t3!!!
maybe a slight nerf in terms of buildtime? thats one thing you dont have a whole lot of for going early adv vechs

Drone_Fragger · Post by **Drone_Fragger** » 14 Oct 2006, 00:48

Just give them the anni laser and 10k armour and they'll be fine. ├é┬¼_├é┬¼

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 14 Oct 2006, 00:50

jcnossen wrote:I really don't like the variant letter codes... What's wrong with just using a proper name?

I strongly support that. Readability for the win.

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Absolute Annihilation 2.23