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They have the 'stealth' tag, which makes them invisible to both Sonar and Radar.
This is fine for radar, due to decloak radius, but since sonar is the -only- way of detecting stuff underwater, it means spies and cameras are 100% totally invisible undetectable by any means whatsoever.
Which means you can plonk a camera in the sea and GG, the game will never end.
Worse, the spy has a emp self-d. With that, you can take out enemy subs, ships, defenses, etc and just pwn him- and there is no way to counter it.
If they were made to float it'd be okay but that'd probably look pretty stupid. Another solution would be to give them a radar jammer radius, like the minelayer has, but then they could provide jamming for other things too (IE, stick a camera next to all your llt's and they are radar-invisible).
This is fine for radar, due to decloak radius, but since sonar is the -only- way of detecting stuff underwater, it means spies and cameras are 100% totally invisible undetectable by any means whatsoever.
Which means you can plonk a camera in the sea and GG, the game will never end.
Worse, the spy has a emp self-d. With that, you can take out enemy subs, ships, defenses, etc and just pwn him- and there is no way to counter it.
If they were made to float it'd be okay but that'd probably look pretty stupid. Another solution would be to give them a radar jammer radius, like the minelayer has, but then they could provide jamming for other things too (IE, stick a camera next to all your llt's and they are radar-invisible).
vulcan uses the same weapontype as berthas do, the only difference is that vulcan spits those yellow balls fasterMR.D wrote:Now that Vulcans are even stronger, how about making shields worth a shit?
Even standard bertha shots penetrate shields with ease, how are we to expect that an even higher velocity shot is going to be deflected?
Saktoth; If you want to do floating spies and eyes, its ok. but for now this is the best and easiest to do choice.
what are people's impressions of the t2 lab now? is it too cheap, or still too expensive or "lol u nub spaem gater in 1v1" ?
Mmm i know im the one who brought this to noize's attention. One.. um, slight problem though. The spy is still in the amphib fac. Which means you can build it and it cant move out of the fac since it aint amphib (happened to det).Saktoth; If you want to do floating spies and eyes, its ok. but for now this is the best and easiest to do choice.
Saktoth wrote:Mmm i know im the one who brought this to noize's attention. One.. um, slight problem though. The spy is still in the amphib fac. Which means you can build it and it cant move out of the fac since it aint amphib (happened to det).Saktoth; If you want to do floating spies and eyes, its ok. but for now this is the best and easiest to do choice.
well take a look into it
will be removed next version.Saktoth wrote:Mmm i know im the one who brought this to noize's attention. One.. um, slight problem though. The spy is still in the amphib fac. Which means you can build it and it cant move out of the fac since it aint amphib (happened to det).Saktoth; If you want to do floating spies and eyes, its ok. but for now this is the best and easiest to do choice.
ITS IN THE MODIT NOW
http://modinfo.unknown-files.net/modit/ ... ?MOD=ba561
HURRAY HURRAY
Here is clearer view of what has been changed:
http://modinfo.unknown-files.net/modit/ ... MOD2=ba561
Though, it doesnt show weapon changes etc, but it gives quick view...
http://modinfo.unknown-files.net/modit/ ... ?MOD=ba561
HURRAY HURRAY
Here is clearer view of what has been changed:
http://modinfo.unknown-files.net/modit/ ... MOD2=ba561
Though, it doesnt show weapon changes etc, but it gives quick view...
OOoh, cheap L2. That will be exciting. Interesting to see how it changes the gameplay since we'll be getting the mohomines that much sooner (imho the most crucial parts of jump to L2). Plus, it makes both-L2 that much more usable, so the killer combo of artillery-plus-spies comes into play more often.
Today I played 1v1 on CC. I was arm opponent was core.
At certain point I controled 2/3 of map and even successfully raided part of main base. Then game switched to lvl 2.
I built bulldogs and mix them with flashes, opponent made banishers.
Banishers pwnt me.
I tried atacking from different side at once, they still pwned me.
Then I tried with lvl 2 air. Oops they have effiecent lvl 2 AA as well. My lvl 2 air gets pwnt.
Then I tried to mix flashes, bulldogs and annis, yup they also got pwnt.
Then I tried to mix flashes, bulldogs and that lvl 2 bot paralysing spiders and still got pwnt >.<.
Conclusion, does anyone have a feeling banishers are OP?
He also atacked with krog at more late game, and that krog was piece of cake compared to banishers -.-
At certain point I controled 2/3 of map and even successfully raided part of main base. Then game switched to lvl 2.
I built bulldogs and mix them with flashes, opponent made banishers.
Banishers pwnt me.
I tried atacking from different side at once, they still pwned me.
Then I tried with lvl 2 air. Oops they have effiecent lvl 2 AA as well. My lvl 2 air gets pwnt.
Then I tried to mix flashes, bulldogs and annis, yup they also got pwnt.
Then I tried to mix flashes, bulldogs and that lvl 2 bot paralysing spiders and still got pwnt >.<.
Conclusion, does anyone have a feeling banishers are OP?
He also atacked with krog at more late game, and that krog was piece of cake compared to banishers -.-
The whole idea of the banisher is that it kills hordes.
you need to treat banishers like you treat janus. when you send 30 flash into 15 janus who have los to the flashes, your flashes will get raped no matter how much you dont want them to die.
send 1 jeffy/flash/whatever you have near straight towards it, after it shoots you attack from 2-3 directions to kill it while it reloads,when you are facing multiples of them, you do the same but use a few more baits.
when you reach t2, penetrators mixed up with gollies and peepers should kill them before they have a chance to react.
but many fundamental changes like t2 lab's cost reduced have been made, which may have made the banishers easier to get early on/easier to spam, poke me when im on tas and host the replay kthx
you need to treat banishers like you treat janus. when you send 30 flash into 15 janus who have los to the flashes, your flashes will get raped no matter how much you dont want them to die.
send 1 jeffy/flash/whatever you have near straight towards it, after it shoots you attack from 2-3 directions to kill it while it reloads,when you are facing multiples of them, you do the same but use a few more baits.
when you reach t2, penetrators mixed up with gollies and peepers should kill them before they have a chance to react.
but many fundamental changes like t2 lab's cost reduced have been made, which may have made the banishers easier to get early on/easier to spam, poke me when im on tas and host the replay kthx
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mixed units only work if you know what you are doing, having a mix just for the sake of mix will only hurt you.
for example if the other guy has no air and you know he hasnt made any/doesnt have the resources to make them, making jethros/crashers is a waste, you are better off making peewees/rockos/hammers/aks/thuds/whatever, instead of a unit that only shoots air that is not present in the current match.
this is why you seldom see decent players make aa just for the sake of aa, they are better off getting that extra flash on the raidgroup instead of feeling safe from nonexsistant threat.
all this return fire and microing of single units also takes up time from that ctrl+b spam you are doing, and microing your raids/protecting expos
IMO(_NOTE_ THIS IS MY OPINION, NOT WARC'S AND IT IS PROPABLY WRONG TOO, NO IDEAS FROM SWIFTSPEAR WERE LISTENED TO WHILE MAKING THIS POST)
making janus in 1v1 before mid-late / end game is a sign of noob, since the janus are so easily countered by 1 jeffy & 1 flash, and they also take your precious micro time from raiding/protecting expos/expoing, im having trouble doing just those 3 with average of 150-220 apm.
the only useful role for them is in my opinion , acting like cavalry, flanking the enemy when they are tied up with your own flash, i'd say that a ratio of about 200 flash for 20 janus is good, if you have good metal income and lots of factories/nanos that is ~_~
for example if the other guy has no air and you know he hasnt made any/doesnt have the resources to make them, making jethros/crashers is a waste, you are better off making peewees/rockos/hammers/aks/thuds/whatever, instead of a unit that only shoots air that is not present in the current match.
this is why you seldom see decent players make aa just for the sake of aa, they are better off getting that extra flash on the raidgroup instead of feeling safe from nonexsistant threat.
even if you put it into return fire, it will still hit the jeffy first, since it will most propably get into shooting range of the janus before the flash reach the firing range of the janus.put janus on return fire orders and micro them?
all this return fire and microing of single units also takes up time from that ctrl+b spam you are doing, and microing your raids/protecting expos
IMO(_NOTE_ THIS IS MY OPINION, NOT WARC'S AND IT IS PROPABLY WRONG TOO, NO IDEAS FROM SWIFTSPEAR WERE LISTENED TO WHILE MAKING THIS POST)
making janus in 1v1 before mid-late / end game is a sign of noob, since the janus are so easily countered by 1 jeffy & 1 flash, and they also take your precious micro time from raiding/protecting expos/expoing, im having trouble doing just those 3 with average of 150-220 apm.
the only useful role for them is in my opinion , acting like cavalry, flanking the enemy when they are tied up with your own flash, i'd say that a ratio of about 200 flash for 20 janus is good, if you have good metal income and lots of factories/nanos that is ~_~