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Air absorption in spring

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Auswaschbar
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Re: Air absorption in spring

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CarRepairer wrote:This idea sounds awesome, I hope it works for me on the next release.

But there are some infamous mappers who will grow angry at the use of air absorption because some maps don't have air. They will claim it ruins immersion and tramples on mapper's rights.
You can always press F6 when playing space maps :lol:
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Forboding Angel
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Re: Air absorption in spring

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CarRepairer wrote:This idea sounds awesome, I hope it works for me on the next release.

But there are some infamous mappers who will grow angry at the use of air absorption because some maps don't have air. They will claim it ruins immersion and tramples on mapper's rights.
Sadly, this is probably true.
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Beherith
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Re: Air absorption in spring

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Car, troll less pls, kthxbai.
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Teutooni
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Re: Air absorption in spring

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If the map doesn't have air, it shouldn't have sounds either, no?
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Das Bruce
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Re: Air absorption in spring

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Teutooni wrote:If the map doesn't have air, it shouldn't have sounds either, no?
You succeed at physics!
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Re: Air absorption in spring

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When playing on asteroids units should just float off into space for more realism.
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Argh
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Re: Air absorption in spring

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The mappers could just use some Lua to send that command. In fact, I'm going to add that to a "space" map, just for fun.
When playing on asteroids units should just float off into space for more realism.
That'd be very tricky to pull off with a Map gadget, but it'd be perfectly possible to do with a game Gadget.
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Gota
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Re: Air absorption in spring

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Argh wrote:The mappers could just use some Lua to send that command. In fact, I'm going to add that to a "space" map, just for fun.
When playing on asteroids units should just float off into space for more realism.
That'd be very tricky to pull off with a Map gadget, but it'd be perfectly possible to do with a game Gadget.
I was being sarcastic but on low gravity maps it could be interesting to implement something like wreckage flying slowly away.
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hoijui
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Re: Air absorption in spring

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Beherith, could you please try to get OpenAL Soft DLL form mingwlibs 20.1 from here: http://github.com/spring/spring/downloads
and try with that?
Aus has put the latest version in there (1.11.753).
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CarRepairer
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Re: Air absorption in spring

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Das Bruce wrote:
Teutooni wrote:If the map doesn't have air, it shouldn't have sounds either, no?
You succeed at physics!
A winner is you!
Beherith wrote:Car, troll less pls, kthxbai.
Come on behe it's our friendly rivalry now, not trolling. Trying to make you laugh. Also the first sentence of my post seemed to short and dull on its own so I had to add some flavor to it.

I really am excited to hear this in action.
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Re: Air absorption in spring

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i do not want to dampen your joy over this new feature but spring still has this problem that makes me afraid to play with sound volume > 10%
There can be some moments when things get REALLY FUCKING LOUND like in S44 you zoom in on some infantry and suddendly they start shooting...
Your ears explode even if before the volume was just fine.
If its a modproblem then most mods have that problem.
Yea, war is probally very loud but its so super annoying :/
Maybe zoom distance should not have such a big influence as x,y distance, if that can be done. Or the sound should just be more compressed and less dynamic, i dont know.
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Re: Air absorption in spring

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knorke wrote:i do not want to dampen your joy over this new feature but spring still has this problem that makes me afraid to play with sound volume > 10%
There can be some moments when things get REALLY FUCKING LOUND like in S44 you zoom in on some infantry and suddendly they start shooting...
Your ears explode even if before the volume was just fine.
If its a modproblem then most mods have that problem.
Yea, war is probally very loud but its so super annoying :/
Maybe zoom distance should not have such a big influence as x,y distance, if that can be done. Or the sound should just be more compressed and less dynamic, i dont know.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_normalization
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Re: Air absorption in spring

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knorke, could you please try to get OpenAL Soft DLL form mingwlibs 20.1 from here: http://github.com/spring/spring/downloads
and try with that?
Aus has put the latest version in there (1.11.753).


hoijui: sorry for re-using your post :-)
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hoijui
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Re: Air absorption in spring

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ima opensource. therefore, i am proud to be reused.
what i am a bit concerned with is, that neither Aus nor Behe reported back with test results, whether it works now for them or not (Behe did, but not with newer OpenAL lib yet). I guess i could just post a new installer with the recent OpenAL Soft version ...
here it is:
http://buildbot.eat-peet.net/spring/ins ... e4686e.exe
this is spring master, so you will not be able to play online with this!
this is also the first installer to future a version of OpenAL that fixes the volume escalation bug (for real now).
soo.. please get this, and test the two issues (air absorption & volume escalation), and report back.

if you are on linux and want to test air absorption, make sure you have a recent OpenAL Soft version. 1.9 worked fine for me, but earlier ones might/should work too.
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Beherith
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Re: Air absorption in spring

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Sorry, the update slipped by me, ill test it on the weekend.
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Re: Air absorption in spring

Post by BaNa »

Das Bruce wrote:
Teutooni wrote:If the map doesn't have air, it shouldn't have sounds either, no?
You succeed at physics!
You lose however at Star Wars physics!
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knorke
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Re: Air absorption in spring

Post by knorke »

ah cool.
downloading this
http://buildbot.eat-peet.net/spring/ins ... e4686e.exe
now and see how it goes.
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hoijui
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Re: Air absorption in spring

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thanks :-)
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Re: Air absorption in spring

Post by Pako »

Who is stupid enough to say there is no sound in space, most of people apparently.

Of course human ear is well insulated from conductive sounds but *A is not humans fighting but highly dedicated robots, also air as a sound conductor is very slow and lossy compared to more dense materials like sand, stone and steel. Also planes can emit sound and it can be fast as light too. Every unit have atleast a radio as well.
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Das Bruce
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Re: Air absorption in spring

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Whut?
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