New BA releases / Changelog

New BA releases / Changelog

Classic game design, maintained to please you...

Moderator: Content Developer

User avatar
jamerlan
Balanced Annihilation Developer
Posts: 683
Joined: 20 Oct 2009, 13:04

New BA releases / Changelog

Post by jamerlan » 24 Feb 2016, 17:32

Messages about new BA releases are not posted on the forum anymore. There are a few reasons:
1) BA includes "Changelog" widget (bottom left corner)
2) You can get it directly from github
3) You can always find latest version on springfiles
4) Autohosts are updated (or autohost owners are notified) by game devs -> latest versions are available for players automatically
Image
changelog.jpg
(102.56 KiB) Not downloaded yet
0 x

User avatar
triton
Lobby Moderator
Posts: 329
Joined: 18 Nov 2009, 14:27

Re: New BA releases / Changelog

Post by triton » 16 May 2017, 15:43

Hi,

No forum post means no discussions, no explanations for changes etc..
I am watching last BA's changelog, I would like to understand the reason behind them :(
1 x

klapmongool
Posts: 843
Joined: 13 Aug 2007, 13:19

Re: New BA releases / Changelog

Post by klapmongool » 13 Jul 2017, 19:21

I don't play regularly. I do regularly read the changelogs on the forum because I like to keep up with the changes. Was it too much work to post them here?
2 x

User avatar
Forboding Angel
Evolution RTS Developer
Posts: 14572
Joined: 17 Nov 2005, 02:43

Re: New BA releases / Changelog

Post by Forboding Angel » 14 Jul 2017, 04:52

Is it too much work for you to just look for yourself? https://github.com/Balanced-Annihilatio ... ngelog.txt
0 x

klapmongool
Posts: 843
Joined: 13 Aug 2007, 13:19

Re: New BA releases / Changelog

Post by klapmongool » 17 Jul 2017, 07:44

Forboding Angel wrote:Is it too much work for you to just look for yourself? https://github.com/Balanced-Annihilatio ... ngelog.txt
Weird, I thought I already replied to this post. Not too much work, but considering this forum is my go-to place for spring/BA related stuff and github is not and this being the place to discuss BA stuff with other users it makes sense for me to come here. To learn and discuss changes made in BA.
0 x

User avatar
Forboding Angel
Evolution RTS Developer
Posts: 14572
Joined: 17 Nov 2005, 02:43

Re: New BA releases / Changelog

Post by Forboding Angel » 17 Jul 2017, 11:11

Spring is a small place. The first place you should ever go if you want detailed information is the repository. None of the games for spring have the manpower needed for handholding.

Or, ya know, you could load up ba on the test server and click the button labeled "Changelog".
0 x

gajop
Moderator
Posts: 3022
Joined: 05 Aug 2009, 20:42

Re: New BA releases / Changelog

Post by gajop » 17 Jul 2017, 11:33

ZK has changelogs and they're pretty good. BA and other popular mods should strive to do the same, it brings attention to the project and lives the forums up a bit.
2 x

klapmongool
Posts: 843
Joined: 13 Aug 2007, 13:19

Re: New BA releases / Changelog

Post by klapmongool » 18 Jul 2017, 12:44

Forboding Angel wrote:Spring is a small place. The first place you should ever go if you want detailed information is the repository. None of the games for spring have the manpower needed for handholding.

Or, ya know, you could load up ba on the test server and click the button labeled "Changelog".
I guess forums are no longer a thing. See you on social media x.
0 x

tzaeru
Posts: 283
Joined: 28 Oct 2007, 02:23

Re: New BA releases / Changelog

Post by tzaeru » 18 Jul 2017, 14:02

It's no trouble if we can just copy-paste changelog to forums. BA updates are nowadays released so rarely anyhow.

I can do it - but right now there's a major update in the works and I'm sure for that we'll have several topics of their own. A lot of new goodies.
0 x

User avatar
Forboding Angel
Evolution RTS Developer
Posts: 14572
Joined: 17 Nov 2005, 02:43

Re: New BA releases / Changelog

Post by Forboding Angel » 18 Jul 2017, 22:25

klapmongool wrote:
Forboding Angel wrote:Spring is a small place. The first place you should ever go if you want detailed information is the repository. None of the games for spring have the manpower needed for handholding.

Or, ya know, you could load up ba on the test server and click the button labeled "Changelog".
I guess forums are no longer a thing. See you on social media x.
Anything changelog related that is posted on the forums or social media x y or z will be outdated quickly, which is the reason for going to the repo.
0 x

User avatar
Silentwings
Moderator
Posts: 3579
Joined: 25 Oct 2008, 00:23

Re: New BA releases / Changelog

Post by Silentwings » 19 Jul 2017, 16:31

Actually, when it first happened, I asked and was told that it was a case of cba (I forget the exact wording used).

Much as I like the ingame changelog widget, which iirc came a little later, I suspect the lack of new release notices will be interpreted by a casual non-player forum visitor as a lack of evidence of activity. Perhaps a handful would find this thread, scroll four post below the top and locate a repo link in a terse post made by a non-dev that contains partial content, but I suspect not many.

(Following the link in the OP leads to a SpringFiles search which currently returns Planet Annihilation v3.95 as it's top hit. The "current" BA appears fifth.)

As a rule, most BA players found Spring, and then discovered BA via Spring - I haven't come across any sign of this changing, so for now I rate switching off forum activity as a bad move.

Also, frankly, the 9.46 -> dev changelog now has so many entries that it is too hard to process.
2 x


Ares
Posts: 314
Joined: 19 Mar 2011, 13:43

Re: New BA releases / Changelog

Post by Ares » 20 Jul 2017, 00:18

Thanks Forbs for your valued input as official spokesperson for all of BA community and Discord TM

Image

The real reason the changelog is gone: 1242 commits, 158223 additions and over 1000 balance changes since 9.46.

Image

Even Github can only show 1/5 of total commits due to sheer quantity
see for yourself: https://github.com/Balanced-Annihilatio ... ...007c85d

Gone are the days where Decay would change 1 value, in 1 commit, in 1 release to balance EMP spider. The age of no balance BA is upon us where units are judged not on the quality of their balance but on the specialness of their effects.

9.46 forever!
Last edited by Ares on 20 Jul 2017, 19:20, edited 2 times in total.
0 x

dansan
Server Owner & Developer
Posts: 1190
Joined: 29 May 2010, 23:40

Re: New BA releases / Changelog

Post by dansan » 20 Jul 2017, 01:58

Code: Select all

/mute Ares
3 x

User avatar
Forboding Angel
Evolution RTS Developer
Posts: 14572
Joined: 17 Nov 2005, 02:43

Re: New BA releases / Changelog

Post by Forboding Angel » 20 Jul 2017, 04:45

I find it impressive that he still doesn't understand how VCS works, even at a basic level. It's truly impressive.
0 x

klapmongool
Posts: 843
Joined: 13 Aug 2007, 13:19

Re: New BA releases / Changelog

Post by klapmongool » 20 Jul 2017, 08:57

Forboding Angel wrote:
klapmongool wrote:
Forboding Angel wrote:Spring is a small place. The first place you should ever go if you want detailed information is the repository. None of the games for spring have the manpower needed for handholding.

Or, ya know, you could load up ba on the test server and click the button labeled "Changelog".
I guess forums are no longer a thing. See you on social media x.
Anything changelog related that is posted on the forums or social media x y or z will be outdated quickly, which is the reason for going to the repo.
The thing you haven't picked up on in this thread, even though multiple users posted about it, is that people come here to discuss BA with each other. Changelogs on the forum are an important part of that. 'See you on social media x' (notice how I don't mention FB, twitter, instagram etc?) is meant in a sarcastic way. You wouldn't be able to find me (BA players wouldn't find each other and discuss BA). This thread isn't about the best way to document changes to a game. It is about losing touch with (potential) players.
4 x

User avatar
Forboding Angel
Evolution RTS Developer
Posts: 14572
Joined: 17 Nov 2005, 02:43

Re: New BA releases / Changelog

Post by Forboding Angel » 20 Jul 2017, 13:58

No, the point is that the changelog is painfully easy to find. It's named changelog.txt ffs.

BA is the most toxic group in spring. Why do you think anyone really wants to communicate with that group on the forums? Sure, there have been good people, but the rest of you have either driven them off or effectively silenced them.

Fwiw, changelog are generally communicated via newsposts.

You act as though there is an influx of new players... There isn't, and when new players come along, you turn the chat into something resembling /b, right before screaming at them, insulting them, teamkilling them, etc.

But no, you're tooooottttttally right. I'm the problem.
0 x

User avatar
Floris
Balanced Annihilation Developer
Posts: 599
Joined: 04 Jan 2011, 20:00

Re: New BA releases / Changelog

Post by Floris » 20 Jul 2017, 14:40

Because the changelog is now easy to find ingame, aswell as on the web, there is little need to spread it here every time.
We used to have nearly weekly releases and there was little need for forum changelog posts.

So I do see the need to make a (few) post for the upcomming BA version, but not to make it a habit again.

There is also sufficient feedback on changes in the lobby, ingame and on our discord. Discussing things in the forum are just not that preferred. The forums have a much more public 'official' character to it. I just prefer things more casual/real time. I am easily overwhelmed by the stuff on the todo list and endless forum discussions arent my cup of tea. We have a nice group on Discord were things can be much faster, more extensive, cooperative and forgiving.

I'm sorry for the inconvenience.
0 x

gajop
Moderator
Posts: 3022
Joined: 05 Aug 2009, 20:42

Re: New BA releases / Changelog

Post by gajop » 20 Jul 2017, 15:08

@Forb: I just don't see why BA and the entire community wouldn't benefit from having release posts here, much like EVO does.
@Floris: I understand you might be busy/unwilling to do forum posts due to what you say your development approach is.
1 x

Ares
Posts: 314
Joined: 19 Mar 2011, 13:43

Re: New BA releases / Changelog

Post by Ares » 20 Jul 2017, 20:34

Forbs already explained his double standards when it comes to his treatment of BA versus his treatment of Evo:

https://github.com/Balanced-Annihilatio ... 1d3dfc32b1
0 x

Post Reply

Return to “Balanced Annihilation”