Fusion rush vs. adv fusion rush speed

Fusion rush vs. adv fusion rush speed

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eyu100
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Fusion rush vs. adv fusion rush speed

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Is it worth it to rush an adv fusion instead of a fusion? I can rush a fusion and two moho mms in around 10 and a half minutes. I can rush an adv fusion (but I forgot moho mms) in 13:13 (the first time I tried it, I remembered mohos and it took 16:40). Is the extra time worth the extra eco?

Fusion build order (with Arm):
3 mex, 3 solar, 1 e storage, 1 solar, t1 bots, 1 t1 bot con, reclaim lab, 2 adv solar, 3 nano, 1 adv solar, metal storage, t2 bots, 1 t2 bot con, 1 nano, reclaim lab, 3 moho mex, fusion, 2 moho mms

Adv fusion build order (also with Arm):
3 mex 3 solar 1 e storage 1 solar
t1 veh, 1 t1 veh con, reclaim lab
2 adv solar, 3 nano, 1 adv solar
metal storage, t2 veh, 1 t2 veh con(, 1 nano?), reclaim lab
3 moho mex

adv fusion (nanos on passive; reclaim first t1 mex, then metal storage, then energy storage, then solars), 4 moho mms
Regret
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Re: Fusion rush vs. adv fusion rush speed

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eyu100 wrote:Is it worth it to rush an adv fusion instead of a fusion? I can rush a fusion and two moho mms in around 10 and a half minutes. I can rush an adv fusion (but I forgot moho mms) in 13:13 (the first time I tried it, I remembered mohos and it took 16:40). Is the extra time worth the extra eco?

Fusion build order (with Arm):
3 mex, 3 solar, 1 e storage, 1 solar, t1 bots, 1 t1 bot con, reclaim lab, 2 adv solar, 3 nano, 1 adv solar, metal storage, t2 bots, 1 t2 bot con, 1 nano, reclaim lab, 3 moho mex, fusion, 2 moho mms

Adv fusion build order (also with Arm):
3 mex 3 solar 1 e storage 1 solar
t1 veh, 1 t1 veh con, reclaim lab
2 adv solar, 3 nano, 1 adv solar
metal storage, t2 veh, 1 t2 veh con(, 1 nano?), reclaim lab
3 moho mex

adv fusion (nanos on passive; reclaim first t1 mex, then metal storage, then energy storage, then solars), 4 moho mms
Short answer: No.

Long answer: Both rushes deserve a votekick for being a useless newbie to the team for what is mostly half of the game.
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REVENGE
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Re: Fusion rush vs. adv fusion rush speed

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For you, neither is appropriate because you are simply too slow.
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Re: Fusion rush vs. adv fusion rush speed

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that's not the right way to make that kind of test, just porc for 20min in both ways and compare the available ressources + %*notfinishedBuildingFuturRessources
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Satirik wrote:that's not the right way to make that kind of test, just porc for 20min in both ways and compare the available ressources + %*notfinishedBuildingFuturRessources
No, cause even the worst nub wont porc for 20 min before doing stuff. Better comparison point would be time when you can have adv fus earliest.

But yes your buildorder seems unoptimal and pretty ineffective even when optimized.
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JohannesH wrote:
Satirik wrote:that's not the right way to make that kind of test, just porc for 20min in both ways and compare the available ressources + %*notfinishedBuildingFuturRessources
No, cause even the worst nub wont porc for 20 min before doing stuff. Better comparison point would be time when you can have adv fus earliest.

But yes your buildorder seems unoptimal and pretty ineffective even when optimized.
who allowed this retard to talk ? WHO ?
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Re: Fusion rush vs. adv fusion rush speed

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Man both of those build orders are pretty horrible. Why don't you try working with your teammates so you don't demolish a perfectly good lab?

Instead of building a fusion and 2 stupid stupid metal makers, you could have given each of your teammates a t2 con and gotten 9 more moho mines up in about the same amount of time. And still had a lab.


If you are going to econ whore, at least do it in coop mode so a real player can help mediate the spending - investing more once his defenses are up, using up some of the savings when the team needs to attack. If you just play simbase by yourself in a corner you end up spending all your economy on more economy and never giving any to players who actually do something with it.
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You can calculate it pretty damn easy...you don't need to try and test it in game.
Get the cost of the components and you can calculate the fastest build for a 3 mex start on dsd to reach any objective.
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Gota wrote:You can calculate it pretty damn easy...you don't need to try and test it in game.
Get the cost of the components and you can calculate the fastest build for a 3 mex start on dsd to reach any objective.
This isn't actually that easy of a calculation because practical things like walk time, crane time, and build time tend to mess with it.
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if you are doing this, you are doing it wrong

try building units
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Re: Fusion rush vs. adv fusion rush speed

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YokoZar wrote:Man both of those build orders are pretty horrible. Why don't you try working with your teammates so you don't demolish a perfectly good lab?

Instead of building a fusion and 2 stupid stupid metal makers, you could have given each of your teammates a t2 con and gotten 9 more moho mines up in about the same amount of time. And still had a lab.


If you are going to econ whore, at least do it in coop mode so a real player can help mediate the spending - investing more once his defenses are up, using up some of the savings when the team needs to attack. If you just play simbase by yourself in a corner you end up spending all your economy on more economy and never giving any to players who actually do something with it.
I would probably give everything to the best player on my team afterwards.
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Re: Fusion rush vs. adv fusion rush speed

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JohannesH wrote:
Satirik wrote:that's not the right way to make that kind of test, just porc for 20min in both ways and compare the available ressources + %*notfinishedBuildingFuturRessources
No, cause even the worst nub wont porc for 20 min before doing stuff. Better comparison point would be time when you can have adv fus earliest.

But yes your buildorder seems unoptimal and pretty ineffective even when optimized.
1) How could I improve my buildorder?
2) And how long does it usually take for good players to build these things?
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eyu100 wrote:2) And how long does it usually take for good players to build these things?
Good players kill enemy sooner than it gets to fusion/moho spam. Assuming they are not pulled back by clueless newbies like you.
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eyu100 wrote:
JohannesH wrote:
Satirik wrote:that's not the right way to make that kind of test, just porc for 20min in both ways and compare the available ressources + %*notfinishedBuildingFuturRessources
No, cause even the worst nub wont porc for 20 min before doing stuff. Better comparison point would be time when you can have adv fus earliest.

But yes your buildorder seems unoptimal and pretty ineffective even when optimized.
1) How could I improve my buildorder?
2) And how long does it usually take for good players to build these things?
Good players recognize that about 2/3 of the metal on most maps is outside the starting locations, not even counting wreckage. That's what's worth fighting over.
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Re: Fusion rush vs. adv fusion rush speed

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i can has adv fusion in 11 on dsd lolololol, 14 minutes is closer to greenfields time
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flop wrote:i can has adv fusion in 11 on dsd lolololol, 14 minutes is closer to greenfields time
I saw Nixa doing it nearly perfectly and it took about 10:40.
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flop wrote:i can has adv fusion in 11 on dsd lolololol, 14 minutes is closer to greenfields time
12,5 on nuclear :p

but tbh just making moho mexes everywhere wouldve gotten us the same m prod much faster.
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Re: Fusion rush vs. adv fusion rush speed

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eyu100 wrote:
flop wrote:i can has adv fusion in 11 on dsd lolololol, 14 minutes is closer to greenfields time
I saw Nixa doing it nearly perfectly and it took about 10:40.
Who the fuck looks up to Nixa as a role model? :lol: :lol: :lol:

(I kid, I kid...)
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REVENGE wrote:
eyu100 wrote:
flop wrote:i can has adv fusion in 11 on dsd lolololol, 14 minutes is closer to greenfields time
I saw Nixa doing it nearly perfectly and it took about 10:40.
Who the fuck looks up to Nixa as a role model? :lol: :lol: :lol:

(I kid, I kid...)
Bitch, who the fuck is Nixa?? (Actually never heard of him :P)
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CCBlackmilk wrote: Bitch, who the fuck is Nixa?? (Actually never heard of him :P)
WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU
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