AAGHHHH! PARALYZING WEAPONS!!!!

Snipawolf · Post by **Snipawolf** » 29 May 2007, 18:46

MUST DO DAMAGE DAMNIT! CHANGE IT NOW!

This is hardly a request, more like a bug fix...

I spent an hour just now trying to fix my grenadier's damage! AND THE PARALYZE MAKES HIM DO NONE!

NONE!!!

If anybody can give me a reason (besides being lazy -.-) not to have this fixed, then it can stay, but this is a load of bullsmoth!

Peet · Post by **Peet** » 29 May 2007, 19:01

Make a second, invisible weapon that's slaved to the paralyzer.

Snipawolf · Post by **Snipawolf** » 29 May 2007, 19:02

It's a mortar.. -.-
With high inaccuracy... -.-

Edit: if I switch the roles up, that could work..

I think having the paralyze hit the area he targets while having the mortar hit inaccurately.. May work...

Peet · Post by **Peet** » 29 May 2007, 19:04

Then make it a normal damage-causing weapon, and use hitbyweapon() in every unit's script to jam weapons and set MAX_SPEED to 0 when they get hit by it?

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 29 May 2007, 19:16

Or make the unit spawn a paralyzer weapon itself when it's hit by a mortar which will stun any unit at once.

You then control the stunrate by script by either spawning or not spawning the paralyzer.

KDR_11k · Post by **KDR_11k** » 29 May 2007, 19:32

If custom explosion generators could only spawn projectiles...

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 29 May 2007, 20:00

Hmm indeed.

zwzsg · Post by **zwzsg** » 29 May 2007, 20:57

It is not a bug but normal behavior for paralyser to not do damage.

Slave a normal weapon to your paralyser.

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 29 May 2007, 21:05

Logically, any weapon should be able to paralyze, do damage or do no damage.

MadRat · Post by **MadRat** » 29 May 2007, 21:43

They used the damage for paralyzer time to stay with ota compatibility. If they do a paralyzer field in addition to the damages field it would solve the issue. But allowing for a secondary "explosion"/payload (i.e. warhead) would solve the issue for more than just paralyzers.

I'd like it where you could define a warhead= tag in the weapon tdf that spawned post-explosion of the first weapon. The idea of a warhead really isn't much different than the idea that when a unit dies it spawns stuff like explosions, corpses, and debri animations.

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 29 May 2007, 22:24

madrat, in ota weapons could spawn other weapons(unless my memory is incorrect)

FLOZi · Post by **FLOZi** » 29 May 2007, 23:02

smoth wrote:madrat, in ota weapons could spawn other weapons(unless my memory is incorrect)

Guessmyname · Post by **Guessmyname** » 29 May 2007, 23:24

they can't

MadRat · Post by **MadRat** » 30 May 2007, 05:21

FLOZi wrote:
smoth wrote:madrat, in ota weapons could spawn other weapons(unless my memory is incorrect)

You must of been using a different OTA then the rest of us. That wasn't possible.

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 30 May 2007, 05:29

well, I wasn't sure. I wonder what game it is I was thinking of. I have moded soo damn many games.

KDR_11k · Post by **KDR_11k** » 30 May 2007, 08:12

Freespace?

Either way, if the CEGs could spawn projectiles we'd have a really versatile system. If they could also generate Lua calls it'd be even more powerful. If we could also control our projectiles with Lua in mid-flight we'd be able to do ANYTHING.

MadRat · Post by **MadRat** » 30 May 2007, 14:36

A little OT, but if anyone was doing a civil war or pirate mod, would it be nice to have cannonballs spawn post explosion? I could see it being useful to clean up cannonballs for spare metal. Not sure if weapon corpses would be useful in any other situation.

Zoy64 · Post by **Zoy64** » 30 May 2007, 15:30

Instead of all this "add an invisible weapon on to it" and "spawn a weapon" things; why cant the paralyzer just do damage like Snipawolf said. Someone should fiddle with it so that the paralyzer does do damage. I have had this same problem, you get a bunch of spiders and you attack someone, they become paralyzed and then what? paralyzing units should be able to fend for themselves. The damage may be low, but it can still take out a Com with enough of them.

KDR_11k · Post by **KDR_11k** » 30 May 2007, 17:16

You can link a second weapon to the paralyzer, if we change the current behaviour we'll either introduce counterintuitive tags or break all mods that use paralyzers. I'm still not convinced that adding projectiles to the things a custom explo can spawn is a major rewrite and if it was done we could do all kinds of stuff including damaging paralyzers and cluster munitions.

MadRat · Post by **MadRat** » 01 Jun 2007, 02:42

The clustering munitions and the sort are certainly possible with a warhead= tag. It would solve armor penetrating warhead simulation, too. You could do a sweet napalm effect, especially if each effect had another warhead= tag behind it in a chain. Flak could really be an explosive poof and spawn clusters of smaller effects. The things it solves go on and on.

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AAGHHHH! PARALYZING WEAPONS!!!!

AAGHHHH! PARALYZING WEAPONS!!!!