Spring 94.0/1

[zerver]

Do I have to make a snap decision whether to like something and then stick to it while ignoring future evidence?

No. The customer is always right

Imo 95.0 is a better idea since 94.1 is somewhat playable.

[PepeAmpere]

Spring 94.1, Mac OS X: rendering artifacts

Square Bordes

http://pbrd.co/ZG6RL3

maybe the widget doing the rectangle net sourounding the map

[albator]

Hey, I just post for a thanks to all spring dev since Spring got much better, and even if some bug made the game most CPU expensive (but that might be related to bugs anyway).
Also, as a ffa player, I REALLY enjoy the MT version and it kinda made me renew the interest for the game. I hope from now and then MT will be the default version so everyone can enjoy it.

[PepeAmpere]

Graphic drivers problem on my friends problematic computer in office. I traveled there and i did some run -> crash. This report coresponds to this old one (report for engine 93.2)

i have only one small experience with this, but not much relevant. My friends playing spring usually from office were unable to use 93.2 windows portable versions on their office machines (=> crash), but with 91.0 portable there was no problem.

Today check
card: GeForce 210
drivers version: 314.22
last tested stable spring OK: 91.0
crash in: 93.1 +

rest of report in archive

[zwzsg]

94.1 crash me when loading : http://pastebin.com/p5w0h3Uq

[PepeAmpere]

Two things:

• tanks reverse is broken - they sometimes freeze ("wait order") and dont move and dont react on any order for few seconds, its worse at tanks with smaller ACCeleration (fat ones - Reaper, Goliath,...), maybe some pathing priority, dont know
• maxReverseVelocity unitDef is for nothing in current Spring, doesnt work (=> so i marked it in wiki). Im not angry this is not working, cause no game has not this tag, but when i was testing first bug, i tried to add this parameter of unit and no value helps it.

[knorke]

zwzsg: acuelly is 94.1?

PepeAmpere: could not reproduce, reverse driving still works:
Tested with SpringTutorialGame, put maxReverseVelocity=6.0 into simplehover and was able to drive backwards. Dudes in my game still moonwalk as well.
iirc in classic pathfinder (or whats it called) units can not go backwards, maybe its that? If its imo worth its own thread/report.

[zwzsg]

Yes, 94.1, sorry, corrected. Current version I mean.

[abma]

@zwzsg:

C:\A\Jeux\RTS\Spring\Run\spring-94.1\spring.exe 0x00000000 ??:0
C:\A\Jeux\RTS\Spring\Run\spring-94.1\spring.exe 0x00660B3F build/default/../../rts/Rendering/Shaders/GLSLCopyState.cpp:387

afaik setting 3DTrees = 0 should "fix" this crash / in 95 it should be fixed, too. so please test if current development version works. but not sure, its a crash because a shader fails to compile it seems, so disabling shaders could fix it, too. (AdvUnitShading / AdvMapShading)

[zwzsg]

Thanks. Might take me a few days before I test again though.

[PepeAmpere]

PepeAmpere: could not reproduce, reverse driving still works:Tested with SpringTutorialGame, put maxReverseVelocity=6.0 into simplehover and was able to drive backwards. Dudes in my game still moonwalk as well.
iirc in classic pathfinder (or whats it called) units can not go backwards, maybe its that? If its imo worth its own thread/report.

In NOTA there was reverse working for a long time (3 years back), in Spring 91.0 there was no problem, in Spring 94.1 sometimes happends, that you send 10 tanks backwards, 7 move and 3 stay at place. In case of single unit it happends, too.

When I started with debug, i thought, its only because NOTA is noob old game with old definition files, so i added maxReverseVelocity tag with some values (tested 3-4 values) and nothing was changed.

Later I added maxReverseVelocity=0 and units were still able to reverse :), but with same problems - some units sometimes freeze under uncancable Wait order.

Today i started to suspect heatmapping, i try to play with this.

[Kloot]

did you disable https://code.google.com/p/nota/source/b ... everse.lua ...?

[PepeAmpere]

did you disable https://code.google.com/p/nota/source/b ... everse.lua ...?

Thx kloot, you are right, that is the reason for freezing units. I forgot we have gadget from old times for it.

I tested Spring driven reverse and its not usable, yet, for our game. Is possible to set somewhere the distance, for which the reverese is used (currently its used only for really really small distances, it looks theres some pathing caluclation that makes the decision).

200-300 is still valuable command distance for reverse for all tanks (from gamplay view) but currently spring driven reverse is used max for distance around 50.

[PepeAmpere]

Thx kloot, you are right, that is the reason for freezing units. I forgot we have gadget from old times for it.

• Btw - i tested the gadget and i think the problem is not in it. Seems that velocity data provided by spring via Spring.GetUnitVelocity(unitID) are not updated every frame. Seems current spring update data about unit speed less frequently.
• Hm Spring.GetUnitVelocity(unitID) is ok, theres some small numbers in conditions issue :)
• Ok - solved, the problem was, the current Spring no longer likes this lua notation of numbers in condition:

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if (vx >= .05 or vx <= -.05) then

now wants this

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if (vx >= 0.05 or vx <= -0.05) then

So the problem was our gadget, but there was changed Spring lua parsing or something or work with small numbers.

The maxReverseVelocity tag works, but is unusable imo from reasons i wrote above.

Thx Kloot for targeting me on right place

[TotalAnnihilation]

Which Games, AI and Maps work with Spring94.1?

[zwzsg]

@zwzsg:

C:\A\Jeux\RTS\Spring\Run\spring-94.1\spring.exe 0x00000000 ??:0
C:\A\Jeux\RTS\Spring\Run\spring-94.1\spring.exe 0x00660B3F build/default/../../rts/Rendering/Shaders/GLSLCopyState.cpp:387

afaik setting 3DTrees = 0 should "fix" this crash / in 95 it should be fixed, too. so please test if current development version works. but not sure, its a crash because a shader fails to compile it seems, so disabling shaders could fix it, too. (AdvUnitShading / AdvMapShading)

Neither work.

I tried with
- Spring 94.1.1-376-gef79e98 develop (OMP)
- 3DTrees = 0

I still have a crash, still on /rts/Rendering/Shaders/GLSLCopyState.cpp 387

Edit: But with --safemode it works!

[Google_Frog]

We're back to using 91.0. Spring 94.1 is painfully slow or unplayable for a decent portion of the ZK playerbase. These people did not have issues when using 91.0.

[marciolino]

Hi, I keep constantly crashing after sometime ingame, it can happens at 5min or at 40min.

I am using spring94.1.app bunddle for mac and notalobby.
Here is my infolog.
http://pastebin.com/XJLerEHf

[zerver]

Spring 94.1 is painfully slow or unplayable for a decent portion of the ZK playerbase.

99% chance you are suffering from the pathfinder issue, as mentioned in this thread and many others:
http://springrts.com/phpbb/viewtopic.ph ... 07#p541037

[Forboding Angel]

Well gee, that's what happens when someone (I.E. You) shit out a spring version without adequate testing against the wishes of EVERYONE else.