Spring 0.75b1 release

imbaczek · Post by **imbaczek** » 16 Jul 2007, 16:11

KDR_11k wrote:Is it possible that TargetBorder only applies to the XZ distance?

It very well may; there's quite some hackery in spring's targetting code which involves GetRange2D. If you want better vertical behaviour, try increasing CylinderTargetting.

I'll investigate TargetBorder when I find some free time (maybe this week.)

KDR_11k · Post by **KDR_11k** » 16 Jul 2007, 18:06

imbaczek wrote:
KDR_11k wrote:Is it possible that TargetBorder only applies to the XZ distance?
It very well may; there's quite some hackery in spring's targetting code which involves GetRange2D. If you want better vertical behaviour, try increasing CylinderTargetting.

Yes but the default is spheric targetting now. Strange since the usual policy for any new tags is to default them to the old behaviour.

Spawn_Retard · Post by **Spawn_Retard** » 16 Jul 2007, 18:36

i want the old version back. its alot more stable.

rollback?

Thor · Post by **Thor** » 16 Jul 2007, 20:25

Spawn_Retard wrote:i want the old version back. its alot more stable.

rollback?

seconded. This version just isn't playable right now, and most of the new features will take time to take advantage of anyway.

very_bad_soldier · Post by **very_bad_soldier** » 16 Jul 2007, 20:37

Spawn_Retard wrote: rollback?

I think we need to do it. We should get spring back to a playable state at first. Then try to fix the bugs.

EDIT:
Ok, i just read that there is already a patch witch can be used with the 0.75b release, so lets test this first i think.

Machiosabre · Post by **Machiosabre** » 16 Jul 2007, 20:39

its plenty playable, this happens every release, just think of it as a few days of beta testing with everyone.

Tobi · Post by **Tobi** » 16 Jul 2007, 20:45

Rollback would be death IMHO, since I'm sure no one would get off their lazy arse to actually test 0.75b1 then

Release 0.75b2 can be expected later this week.

Acidd_UK · Post by **Acidd_UK** » 16 Jul 2007, 20:47

Agreed, there's a lot of bugs that will never be found until the public has a chance to break all the new stuff. It's just the way software dev goes - unless you have a large, dedicated test team, then what can you do, eh? At least this way, everyone can fewel like they're doing their bit for Spring development!

argt · Post by **argt** » 16 Jul 2007, 21:45

Hi guys and congratulations with the work. Trouble with new release is quite logical, especially when changes are numerous.
I'm trying to get some new people addicted to spring so I was wondering if there were still a server up compatible with the 0.74b3 version, which seems more stable and is therefore morelikely to attract new people.
Thanks.

Argh · Post by **Argh** » 16 Jul 2007, 22:09

No rollback, just find the bugs, people, and report them via Mantis. Help the programmers!

Truth be told, I had a feeling this was gonna happen- features kept getting added machinegun-fast, that huge patch showed up, etc... so I'm not surprised there are some hitches.

It matters not, though! The bugs will get fixed, with help from players- this is a very important version of Spring, and I'm very excited about it, having been running the prior builds up until a few days ago (so, er, I guess I'm to blame for the bugs- truth told, it was stable for me, in testing with AI, so... meh). Most game developers using Spring will be very, very pleased with the changelog- the number of new features is really quite large, and many of them are just plain awesome!

imbaczek · Post by **imbaczek** » 16 Jul 2007, 22:17

KDR_11k wrote:Yes but the default is spheric targetting now. Strange since the usual policy for any new tags is to default them to the old behaviour.

That is my policy too, may fear leave your heart. I'll look into it later this week (or at least try). If you could take a look at the mother of all TryTargets and see if there's anything obviously wrong in the meantime, I'll be grateful.

TBH all this GetRange2D that is there instead of your usual vector subtraction scares me a little, but I guess it's required so maxrange actually works as in TA. I'd get rid of it if it was my decision, but that would cause mostly pure suffering for little gains.

LOrDo · Post by **LOrDo** » 16 Jul 2007, 23:55

I expected this. Last spring version spring was close to the level of unplayable with the b1 release, and with all the new features implemented this version of course theres going to be a "few" problems.
Relax, just wait for a week and let the devs fix the bugs. Better yet help them out and make error reports of your crashings. Argh posted the link to mantis, use that.

Peace · Post by **Peace** » 17 Jul 2007, 00:10

Peacy wubs you guys!

Post by **Betalord** » 17 Jul 2007, 12:03

Mag1cWalker wrote:When will be released new lobby server?

it's up now

Zenka · Post by **Zenka** » 17 Jul 2007, 14:36

Argh is (of course) right. people should remember they are beta testers. maybe we need more signs informing them of this.

Tired · Post by **Tired** » 17 Jul 2007, 16:32

I know exactly where you can stick those signs, Zenk. =)

Point of fact, the community knows that it's beta testing, and if the feedback sent happens to be contained inside the format of a complaint, then suck it up and be happy that you're getting feedback at all. =P

Timeouts every 10 minutes on average ftw. Host crashes every 15, with sporadic odds of loading at all.

Post by **Viktor** » 17 Jul 2007, 18:08

Tobi was not write that save/load now works(Save/load in multiplayer untested).
But if you playing vs AI, AI must support save/load. Now only KAI 0.23(new unoficial version of KAI 0.2) supports save/load.

imbaczek · Post by **imbaczek** » 18 Jul 2007, 00:33

KDR: your observation was correct - TargetBorder was broken wrt vertical distances. Fix submitted to mantis as #560.

L0223R · Post by **L0223R** » 18 Jul 2007, 16:48

does this release contain the upsampled ota sounds i did?

edit: after testing, seems not. please include this in 75b2.

Tired · Post by **Tired** » 18 Jul 2007, 17:26

Rapiers are bugged to Guard whatever they're attacking, btw.

Spring RTS Engine

Spring 0.75b1 release

is there a server working with the previous version ?