AAI with improved support for water maps

AAI with improved support for water maps

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submarine
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AAI with improved support for water maps

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Some updates from me: I just created a PR to the AAI submodule containing my work of the previous weeks. Apart from many smaller fixes and internal cleanup, I worked on the support for water maps. As you can see on the screenshots, AAI now works again on both "pure" water maps as well as as mixed land/water maps.
Btw: Thanks @Beherith - Boulder beach is really a beautiful and interesting to play map :)

I tried to check out other mods (XTA, BA 11.0) but I could not get it to run with my setup (spring 104.0.1-1482 maintenance build). Is there an overview which mods/lobbies work with what spring version?



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submarine
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Re: AAI with improved support for water maps

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@Abma (or other Devs):
I just merged my PR to the spring/AAI submodule. I hope this is okay.

However, the integration workflow is not really clear to me - sorry for asking again: Would the next step be to update the version of the AAI submodule in the spring/spring repo?
Is there an overview at what point which test stages (builds, test, ...) are executed?
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Re: AAI with improved support for water maps

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I tried to check out other mods (XTA, BA 11.0) but I could not get it to run with my setup (spring 104.0.1-1482 maintenance build). Is there an overview which mods/lobbies work with what spring version?
The last time I saw an XTA autohost it was using an older spring version, maybe 96?
But the hosts are offline, it seems XTA disappeared from spring.
For BA you can check on their server what version they are using, should be 103. They use springlobby 0.267.
submarine
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Re: AAI with improved support for water maps

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Update:

I raised another PR that brings support for BAR.

Next topics on my list:
- Improve combat unit selection
- Rework air: selection & handling of air units
- Extend combat behavior (currently only very basic selection of targets and reaction to enemy attacks)
- Improve placement radar & static defences (take terrain more properly into account)
- Better protection of commander
Ryusho
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Re: AAI with improved support for water maps

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It's been a bit, just wondering how it's going when it comes to this, I've been getting back into Spring again myself and this was one of my favorite AI's to mess with back in the day, just to watch and see how learned, slowly, but still kinda learned.
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Re: AAI with improved support for water maps

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Hey! I'm commenting because, well, it's so quiet here! can't have that. AAI has had very few changes; ZK's CircuitAI (I think? We call it Barbarian in BAR) seems to be the last maintained native AIs; development seems to focus more on Lua AIs now, coz that's where most of the expertise lays. Engine dev is slowly growing again in BAR, so maybe we'll get native engine dev happening again? Dunno. We can hope!
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ALright then, If I can coax myself too, or find good resources for learning, I have considered trying to make my own AI for th is, ...Or if I could find with the help of some friends, maybe find a way to make a 'neural network' trained AI or something for t his to use...SInce the basic Machine learning this has, already shows it's plausable...Since it seems to learn map locations "With time" as it goes, but also, keeps a seperate file for keeping track of how well units work against other units.
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Re: AAI with improved support for water maps

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Ryusho wrote: 30 Jun 2022, 15:53 I have considered trying to make my owna 'neural network' trained AI or something for this to use...SInce the basic Machine learning this has, already shows it's plausable...Since it seems to learn map locations "With time" as it goes, but also, keeps a seperate file for keeping track of how well units work against other units.
hi Ryusho sounds good, to do this the most important thing you need is player replay data to train on. Ask for mandohost replays starting in 2018. This dataset is high quality, high skill, mostly team replay data. I can try to send them as 1 file for you if that helps. The most popular type of battle in this set is 8vs8 DeltaSiegeDry v8. You will want the replays ending 103.sdfz and not on Techno Lands as those are techa replays. You will also need the version of BA which they were played on - ask me if you need anything for your project.

Mando tried similar with mandobot ai and he made some progress on that, ask him on BA discord for the code and his ideas (hes banned from forum).

If you want your ai to focus on 1v1 there are also replays for the crown cup tournaments here:
https://www.springfightclub.com/data/tourney/replays/
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Ryusho
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Re: AAI with improved support for water maps

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Thank you for the information that should help, though I will say, Please don't get your hopes up that there will be anything made. I am interested, but I will say I'm also ADHD so...I might get where I can try and actually get something or I might end up chasing some other squirrel up a different tree depending on where my brain is at what time. But thank you very much for the information, as i know that will be useful. Also w ould be useful if someone else also wishes to try.
Ares
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Re: AAI with improved support for water maps

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Sure in that case, try and catch mando next time you see him on the server and ask him about Mandobot code. Maybe he will be online for the tournament
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Weell I need to see if it's okay if I can use This as a Baseline for it, as I was visiting with a friend who understands more then I Do, and can help teach me, but he says that using this might help us figure out where to get started for a version for neural network-whatever
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