Spring RTS Engine

AF wrote: And what about the huge XTA player divide? Why should a total noob go through the demoralising and humiliating debacle of fighting you? In XTA your either pwned by a pro or wipe the floor of a noob who doesnt know howto queue units in a factory. The only midfield XTA option there is is the AI.

Chojin wrote:Please use this file instead:
http://ipxserver.dyndns.org/friends/giz ... /XTAPE.sd7

as it will be included in tomorrow's installer.

The_Big_Boss wrote:"It is the fact that I find the new standard far inferior to the old standard." Inferior to whom? You or the mod dev? Let alone explain how it is inferior.

I wrote:What do you think is easier to remember, and to type, and to spell correctly:

CORALAB, or core_advanced_kbot_lab --- Or whatever it is! It could be core_advanced_k-bot_lab, or core_kbot_lab_advanced, or core_adv_kbot_lab, or core_adv_k-bot_lab, or core_adv_k-bot_laboratory!

Before it was easy, because there was both a clear standard and because each unitname had a small number of letters. But now it isn't. It's a stupid pain. It would take much longer for anyone to memorize, both newbs and veterans who had memorized the previous system, because all the unitnames are so long and without a clear standard.

I wrote:

[KnoX]ElementalGizmo wrote:"x1ecarmjtorn.fbi" being renamed to "arm_radar_jamming_tower.fbi" Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight thats BAD because ¿

Yes it means a slight adjustment on the vet players part, but honestly this is not a reason to scream your head off.

I don't mind that; I think it should be called the armrj or armradj or armradjam or armrjam. Probably the last one.

But what I *do* mind is the renaming of corfast and armfast to... core_freaker and arm_zipper, and the renaming of coralab to core_advanced_kbot_laboratory, and the renaming of the corsfig and armsfig to... whatever the hell they are now. core_voodoo and arm_... tornado?

And I am not arguing that the old naming system was perfect, but that the new one is worse than it. In both systems you have to memorize the names of the units. In the old way, those unitnames were shorter (more convenient) and easier to memorize. What you are arguing is that the new unitnames are easier to transition to for someone who knows the in-game unitnames. But the old unitnames are easier to transition to for anyone else, and also most current TA modders know them already, and so don't need to transition.

And, additionally, the old ones were much easier to work with for someone who knew them, because they were shorter.

In a programming language, you don't say:

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if the variable x is larger than the variable y, then do this

You say instead:

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if (x>y){

Because it is easier to work with. This is the same thing. The unitnames are used only by modders, and they should be designed to be as convenient to use as possible, not as easy to learn as possible.

But the new unitnames aren't even easier to learn, IMO.

The_Big_Boss wrote:"minority in charge" Point out who that is please. Lets stop using ambigous terms and drop the hidden blame and anger.

"majority of other XTA players" Point out who they are please. I want to see if I ever played them in xta.

Argh wrote:I've read through the rationale for re-naming everything. Lindir, absolutely no offense meant to you, but I agree with the current XTA developers.

8-character names for units are a legacy of DOS. The processing overhead associated with nice, long, descriptive names is trivial these days. So why not use long names?

Myg wrote:- Foe, this version is going in wether you like it or not. That "bug" is not an issue, it was intentionally left in because it didnt seem to upset the balance.

P3374H wrote:They self-d'd with a nuclear blast all along, all that was changed is the explosion effect.

1v0ry_k1ng wrote:why does the fido cost 590M at http://p15111940.pureserver.info/xta_v8/ and 400 in the newest xta? when did that change happen?

root@bastard:/Mods/XTA v7/units> grep Build ARMFIDO.FBI 
        BuildCostEnergy=3556;
        BuildCostMetal=398;
        BuildTime=10827;

root@bastard:/Mods/XTA v8/units> grep Build ARMFIDO.FBI 
        BuildCostEnergy=3556;
        BuildCostMetal=398;
        BuildTime=10827;

root@bastard:/Mods/XTA v8.1/units> grep build arm_fido.fbi 
        buildcostenergy=3556;
        buildcostmetal=398;
        buildtime=10827;

Chojin wrote:Yes, well, I understand most of the points on why the old naming scheme wasn't all that bad.

But please believe me, it wasn't all that good either.

Please, let us get over this technical fact and let's move our focus back to the modding itself.

1v0ry_k1ng wrote:[Fido] has 64 dps againt the gunslingers 180 odd, low health, average speed, only 160 range more than the gunslinger.