Ok, new troubles:
I really cant get 3ds Max (I'm using v. 5) to export correctly into UpSpring. The model objects are all shuffled around and the hierarchy isn't intact. For some reason "torso" is on top now, and all objects are under it.. Is there any special options i should be ticking in 3ds max?
New Mod/Conversion: GEAR COMMANDER
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centurion-1
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Ok, thanks. Well I apparantely misunderstood and tought the 2048 limit also applied to .s30 files. Glad it doesnt, even tough I'm still gonna share textures for the sake of optimizing.
Hmn, yeah i guess I'll have to combine some objects, should not be a problem. Anyone got any clues on the export import issue to UpSpring?
Hmn, yeah i guess I'll have to combine some objects, should not be a problem. Anyone got any clues on the export import issue to UpSpring?
but better textures 
but now it seems that 2 of them dont work sooooo... 
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centurion-1
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Thanks, FizzWizz, but I'm all set as far as sources go. I myself own both HG1 and 2, good manuals in both... But I can't seem to find a .pdf version of the HG1 manual on the cd, where is it located? I do have the paper version and other pdfs ofcourse so I'm okay as it is.
Masse: Yeah, I am going to try to match HG2 when it comes to visual quality, and hopefull surpass it too when it comes to textures and so. I'm guessing however that the hg2 models were something like 1500-2000 polies each and I really cant go that high, even if spring could take it perhaps. But the textures were quite bland in HG2 and i plan on having nicer, grittier textures!
Masse: Yeah, I am going to try to match HG2 when it comes to visual quality, and hopefull surpass it too when it comes to textures and so. I'm guessing however that the hg2 models were something like 1500-2000 polies each and I really cant go that high, even if spring could take it perhaps. But the textures were quite bland in HG2 and i plan on having nicer, grittier textures!
centurion, how many mechs would you have on screen at one moment?
I URGE you to try my mod.. similar concept I.E. giant biped weapon systems. It has the current hurdles you would run into, walking animations on high poly models. Anyway, the main slowdown I find in spring would be comprised of 3 things: pathing, shaddows and collision. 2 of those are unrelated to the poly count.
I URGE you to try my mod.. similar concept I.E. giant biped weapon systems. It has the current hurdles you would run into, walking animations on high poly models. Anyway, the main slowdown I find in spring would be comprised of 3 things: pathing, shaddows and collision. 2 of those are unrelated to the poly count.
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centurion-1
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Hey, I will try out your mod! It seems quit neat, and I'm sure it'll be quite enlightening to see how you've structured things :)
Well, it's bedtime now, got the whole weekend in front of me, and hopefully i'll be able to squeeze som modding between eating, sleeping, schoolwork, moving to a new place and trying to maintain a social life
But it'll be alright 
Hope i can show you some in game stuff real soon!
Well, it's bedtime now, got the whole weekend in front of me, and hopefully i'll be able to squeeze som modding between eating, sleeping, schoolwork, moving to a new place and trying to maintain a social life
But it'll be alright Hope i can show you some in game stuff real soon!
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centurion-1
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Hey all!
Sorry for not posting in a little while, been real hectic and alot to do. However there has been some progress, got the hunter done and I am as we speak trying to get it ingame and working somewhat, I'll post pics if i can later today. As soon as i get a framework up, ie basic script, a weapon or two etc and get a grip of things it should be alot easier to implement new stuff.
Sorry for not posting in a little while, been real hectic and alot to do. However there has been some progress, got the hunter done and I am as we speak trying to get it ingame and working somewhat, I'll post pics if i can later today. As soon as i get a framework up, ie basic script, a weapon or two etc and get a grip of things it should be alot easier to implement new stuff.
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centurion-1
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centurion-1
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Wohoo! Thanks smoth, it worked!
Still a long way to go before it acts right but the fact that the model shows up atleast and is properly textures is a relief :) Does anyone know why one of the legs is partially transparent?
Also, now i need to get to know the whole scripting bit :) Any clues where to start, any good tutorials or programs to generate animation scripts?
Still a long way to go before it acts right but the fact that the model shows up atleast and is properly textures is a relief :) Does anyone know why one of the legs is partially transparent?
Also, now i need to get to know the whole scripting bit :) Any clues where to start, any good tutorials or programs to generate animation scripts?
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SwiftSpear
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centurion, s3o textures don't use a swapmap... You can't reuse texture space on UV's. Each model calls thier specific UV and thier specific coolnessmap (the second texture where all the selflighting, reflectionmapping and other stuff goes) and that's it. You could make several of the same model use different texture maps, but each one would have to be a different unit.
[edit] about the transparent leg face, was it not UV mapped? Non mapped segments can't be rendered... otherwize it looks like the face was accidentally deleted at some point...
[edit] about the transparent leg face, was it not UV mapped? Non mapped segments can't be rendered... otherwize it looks like the face was accidentally deleted at some point...
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centurion-1
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Hey thanks for the tip, I did flip the leg in 3d studio max, probably is that thats the problem.
I've been thinking alot about gameplay alot and right now I'm thinking mainly about two things: map sizes and economy. Firstly, I will design this mod to use larger map sizes than TA, preferably 16x16 and more, to allow arty units, recon units and more tactics come into play. Does spring have a problem with larger map sizes?
About economy, I'm thinking that metal will be "changed to" (or rather, considered as) resource points, ie supplies, ammo, fuel etc, and energy is purely energy used to power structures and turrets. Resource producing structures would be things like ammo dumps, fuel depots, and forward outposts. Forward outposts would be the equivalent of standard MEXes and the basic reward for capturing territory. As you strengthen your grip on your territory you can replace them by better but more fragile structures, who produce more resource points. Stuff like ammo dumps and fuel depots would however blow large holes in your base when destroyed to further emphasize that they are only for "safe" territories. "Building" units and structures would only cost resource points and build times would relatively fast.
On the side of defensive structures the whole spectrum is planned, from simple HMG encampents and light mortar nests to large turreted pulse lasers. All the automated turrets however costs energy both to operate and fire and to have them it is necessary to have large, expensive generator buildings. So there are no cheapy energy producing facilities, a la solar collectors. The reson for this is that the minimal wattage of such facilities are by far insufficiant to power large automated turret complexes and also to make it a viable strategy to use pinpoint strikes to knock out the generator facilities rather than going head on versus the turrets, a la Heavy gear 2.
This would play together with maps where strategically important areas like cities/towns would give much more resources to the player holding them (ie the one who has built forward outposts or similar there) than basic wilderness terrain. This would create natural hotspots on the areas that would be realistic, ie holding a town is actually a good thing. I plan to make custom features such as buildings for mappers to place to make realistic looking and feeling maps.
What do you think?
I've been thinking alot about gameplay alot and right now I'm thinking mainly about two things: map sizes and economy. Firstly, I will design this mod to use larger map sizes than TA, preferably 16x16 and more, to allow arty units, recon units and more tactics come into play. Does spring have a problem with larger map sizes?
About economy, I'm thinking that metal will be "changed to" (or rather, considered as) resource points, ie supplies, ammo, fuel etc, and energy is purely energy used to power structures and turrets. Resource producing structures would be things like ammo dumps, fuel depots, and forward outposts. Forward outposts would be the equivalent of standard MEXes and the basic reward for capturing territory. As you strengthen your grip on your territory you can replace them by better but more fragile structures, who produce more resource points. Stuff like ammo dumps and fuel depots would however blow large holes in your base when destroyed to further emphasize that they are only for "safe" territories. "Building" units and structures would only cost resource points and build times would relatively fast.
On the side of defensive structures the whole spectrum is planned, from simple HMG encampents and light mortar nests to large turreted pulse lasers. All the automated turrets however costs energy both to operate and fire and to have them it is necessary to have large, expensive generator buildings. So there are no cheapy energy producing facilities, a la solar collectors. The reson for this is that the minimal wattage of such facilities are by far insufficiant to power large automated turret complexes and also to make it a viable strategy to use pinpoint strikes to knock out the generator facilities rather than going head on versus the turrets, a la Heavy gear 2.
This would play together with maps where strategically important areas like cities/towns would give much more resources to the player holding them (ie the one who has built forward outposts or similar there) than basic wilderness terrain. This would create natural hotspots on the areas that would be realistic, ie holding a town is actually a good thing. I plan to make custom features such as buildings for mappers to place to make realistic looking and feeling maps.
What do you think?
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