Planetary Annihilation (Incoming Moon Drops!)
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It seems botching it twice is not kicking it..
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yeah, not surprised.
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they were still pledged ~350,000. Imagine what we could do with that kind of moneys
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Seriously... you could hire 7 guys full time for a year with that much money... maybe not all top-notch game developers or graphics artists or whatever... but still.1v0ry_k1ng wrote:they were still pledged ~350,000. Imagine what we could do with that kind of moneys
I always wonder what would happen if you just told a group of people interested in making games "Here, we'll pay your salary for a year, see what you can do"... sure you'd have a few slugs like me just piss it away but if you got the right guys it could be epic.
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"and that's why Spring needs to join SPI"
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So, I guess I'm going to be the weird one out and say that I tried out galactic war last night and while I could see lots of areas lacking, there were also a lot of things that impressed me.
The whole interface felt rather slick (especially the notifications), the warp gates were really cool, the multi-planet thing worked out rather well (I picked up the feeling for multi-tasking across planets rather quickly), and while some graphics are artistically uninspired they all felt rather polished overall.
The whole interface felt rather slick (especially the notifications), the warp gates were really cool, the multi-planet thing worked out rather well (I picked up the feeling for multi-tasking across planets rather quickly), and while some graphics are artistically uninspired they all felt rather polished overall.
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the development drowned in money, no suprise that its polished
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For some perspective:
https://www.openhub.net/p/springrts/estimated_cost
Estimated 'cost' of writing the spring engine: $8,538,676
https://www.openhub.net/p/Zero-K/estimated_cost
Estimated 'cost' of writing Zero-K (including website, lobby, and other resources; excluding artwork): $15,601,503
Estimated cost of a game like Zero-K: ~$24 mil
Now that is using the default coder salary of $55,000/yr, which is rather generous, but even if you reduce that by half, Zero-K is a $12 mil game.
So no, a $2.5 mil kickstarter is not 'drowning in money', and $0.35 mil will bring some nice things, but probably not do as much as you think it could.
https://www.openhub.net/p/springrts/estimated_cost
Estimated 'cost' of writing the spring engine: $8,538,676
https://www.openhub.net/p/Zero-K/estimated_cost
Estimated 'cost' of writing Zero-K (including website, lobby, and other resources; excluding artwork): $15,601,503
Estimated cost of a game like Zero-K: ~$24 mil
Now that is using the default coder salary of $55,000/yr, which is rather generous, but even if you reduce that by half, Zero-K is a $12 mil game.
So no, a $2.5 mil kickstarter is not 'drowning in money', and $0.35 mil will bring some nice things, but probably not do as much as you think it could.
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Iam not going to repeat myself, i think if you want to find reasons why this game is at best an average game you should look at the 20+ pages of peoples opinions.
Also i wont discuss money, i think thats a very poor way to compare games specially between an open source one and a payed title such as PA.
If you are saying that the game had money issues, i have only this to say, dont promise what you cant deliver, and specially you are forgetting the game is being sold, and preordered for over a year, and it even got on sale like 10 times before it was released.
Its not a fair comparison.
Also i wont discuss money, i think thats a very poor way to compare games specially between an open source one and a payed title such as PA.
If you are saying that the game had money issues, i have only this to say, dont promise what you cant deliver, and specially you are forgetting the game is being sold, and preordered for over a year, and it even got on sale like 10 times before it was released.
Its not a fair comparison.
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openhub.com says quite clearly, even on the links above
(COCOMO is the formula they use to estimate project cost)Please note that COCOMO was created to model large institutional projects, which often don't compare well with distributed open-source projects.
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Guys I'm not trying to make a direct comparison, just offer some crude perspective (like an order of magnitude calculation). I was also aware of the disclaimer and that is partially the reason I posted direct links.
The bottom line is that money is probably not as much money as you think it is.
The bottom line is that money is probably not as much money as you think it is.
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not if they want to develop the game in a timely fashion to a high level of quality. I agree.luckywaldo7 wrote:The bottom line is that money is probably not as much money as you think it is.
In software:
Quality
Cost
Time
Pick 2.
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Reuse Spring engine for 4. Perhaps not use such an unwieldy and pointless gimmick for a 2.5.
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The problem is that you dont hire grafix artists for a whole year. Programmers maybe.SinbadEV wrote:Seriously... you could hire 7 guys full time for a year with that much money... maybe not all top-notch game developers or graphics artists or whatever... but still.1v0ry_k1ng wrote:they were still pledged ~350,000. Imagine what we could do with that kind of moneys
I always wonder what would happen if you just told a group of people interested in making games "Here, we'll pay your salary for a year, see what you can do"... sure you'd have a few slugs like me just piss it away but if you got the right guys it could be epic.
But artists you need for concept, unit, world and then gone.
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Unless they are smoths and do all of the things.PicassoCT wrote:The problem is that you dont hire grafix artists for a whole year. Programmers maybe.SinbadEV wrote:Seriously... you could hire 7 guys full time for a year with that much money... maybe not all top-notch game developers or graphics artists or whatever... but still.1v0ry_k1ng wrote:they were still pledged ~350,000. Imagine what we could do with that kind of moneys
I always wonder what would happen if you just told a group of people interested in making games "Here, we'll pay your salary for a year, see what you can do"... sure you'd have a few slugs like me just piss it away but if you got the right guys it could be epic.
But artists you need for concept, unit, world and then gone.
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And then the same amount of guys showing up - doing it clever and creating stuff via BuildSystems out of nowhere, making you look like a proud long distance running hamster in a wheel..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJLmWV7BF4w
Still, very well trained hamster though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJLmWV7BF4w
Still, very well trained hamster though.
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It's a trailer. Don't you know by now trailers should not be trusted?
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But.. but .. just because they live in a trailer park- like E3 - that doesent make it all lies and rollercoasters..
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lolercoasters and guns always guns
well its either that or crafting soo
well its either that or crafting soo