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Linus saying: action >> idea

Post by hoijui » 28 Jul 2012, 10:42

action >> idea

though that could be usefull for quoting in threads at times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MShbP3OpASA&t=55m46s
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Re: Linus saying: action >> idea

Post by Forboding Angel » 28 Jul 2012, 10:58

Tesla > Edison ( http://theoatmeal.com/comics/tesla )

Actions > Ideas

however

Ideas -> Actions

And hear hear, all hail Linus!
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Post by very_bad_soldier » 28 Jul 2012, 11:16

He also says cool stuff about debugging:
http://lwn.net/2000/0914/a/lt-debugger.php3

He basically says that if you are using a debugger then you are a noob. Instead of using a debugger you have to look at the code until you just see the bug. That also makes you a better person.
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Re: Linus saying: action >> idea

Post by gajop » 28 Jul 2012, 11:33

Agree, but still
plan -> action, otherwise you'll have
action -> re-factor action -> undo -> re-factor again -> fix re-factor bugs -> action loop
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Re: Linus saying: action >> idea

Post by PicassoCT » 28 Jul 2012, 11:36

See those two Moons? Those are my balls, im Linus, if you aint as tough as i am, you have no right to live on this planet, as the tidal force soon might crash you into jelly anyway.

Honestly, he might be the raised stink finger to humanity of all that is nerd, but i always found the idea that everybody should adapt to your own standards, and no easy creation kits should be supplied a dead give away on a persons character. So yeah, thats linus for you, the guy that made microsoft great.
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Re: Linus saying: action >> idea

Post by SirMaverick » 28 Jul 2012, 15:20

hoijui wrote:though that could be usefull for quoting in threads at times.
We have seen that a few times here already. It's called "provide a patch".
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Re: Linus saying: action >> idea

Post by jK » 28 Jul 2012, 15:26

I wonder why Linus is such a PR-bitch these days :x

Not that it is bad for Linux, still Linus sometimes has very strange POVs.
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Re: Linus saying: action >> idea

Post by PicassoCT » 28 Jul 2012, 18:36

Lets burry this whole "The stupid users got to learn" attitude beneath a load of spore creature creator vids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=en ... 2a1iw&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvGN8675 ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1Whvt5v ... re=related

I hate myself to say this, but thanks EA for proofing CrowdSourcings Point!
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Re: Linus saying: action >> idea

Post by gajop » 28 Jul 2012, 18:55

PicassoCT wrote:Lets burry this whole "The stupid users got to learn" attitude....
Actually, that's not what Linus thinks at all. In fact in the same video he was asked whether or not kids should be introduced into programming a lot earlier in their education, and his response was something along the lines of "As a civilization we advanced due to being able to highly specialize, so no, I don't think that everyone should know to program".
His argument was that work matters, and that most people can achieve great things by working a lot, and that talent plays a very small role.
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Post by PicassoCT » 28 Jul 2012, 19:21

the problem is, how do i get people to be motivated to do such works. And that is the same thing as asking how can i motivate people en mass to play my game.. and the call of duty answer that still holds true is.. lower the entry standards, provide cheap successes, while always hinting at the learning curve they could climb. Those who want to climb will climb..
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Re: Linus saying: action >> idea

Post by zwzsg » 29 Jul 2012, 01:33

action >> idea
I would have hopped it to be common sense enough to not need be told by a tutelary figure.

He basically says that if you are using a debugger then you are a noob. Instead of using a debugger you have to look at the code until you just see the bug. That also makes you a better person.
Now that's a stupid, arrogant and awful advice.


Edit: It appears he's talking about a specific debugger in a specific situation. I understand why when it comes to touching his kernel, he wants special minded hackers instead of your average corporate code monkey.
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Re: Linus saying: action >> idea

Post by PicassoCT » 29 Jul 2012, 09:45

I wonder where all those ready-to-go hyper-specialist hackers come from.. none of them decendant of the coder monkey.. i cant imagine linus beeing a pc noob once.. so there got to be a nest somewhere. ;)
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Re: Linus saying: action >> idea

Post by KDR_11k » 29 Jul 2012, 15:31

hoijui wrote:action >> idea
Shifting "action" to the right by "idea" (interpreted as an integer) would produce 0, no?
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Re: Linus saying: action >> idea

Post by PicassoCT » 30 Jul 2012, 01:19

depends if it is signed or unsigned
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Re: Linus saying: action >> idea

Post by Peet » 30 Jul 2012, 05:57

zwzsg wrote:
He basically says that if you are using a debugger then you are a noob. Instead of using a debugger you have to look at the code until you just see the bug. That also makes you a better person.
Now that's a stupid, arrogant and awful advice.


Edit: It appears he's talking about a specific debugger in a specific situation. I understand why when it comes to touching his kernel, he wants special minded hackers instead of your average corporate code monkey.
I get the impression that a lot of Linus' quotes are twisted by context removal in this way. His strong and very nuanced opinionation is pretty prone to that I guess...but it's interesting how this hearsay distortion is still entirely rampant on a medium for information dissemination (the internet) in which all of the technical requirements for preventing it are met.
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Re: Linus saying: action >> idea

Post by very_bad_soldier » 30 Jul 2012, 08:33

So you say what he states is exclusively targeted at kernel debuggers? And his opinion about application debugging is a totally different one?
He mentioned kernel debuggers specifically at some points but for me it looks like he is talking about debuggers in general most of the time.
It seems he hates debuggers and I cant see a sentence that could make me believe his stance on application debugging is a totally different one. I believe he would have made it clear if that was the case.
Is there any indication for that I didnt see? (serious question)

Btw how is this related to hearsay? Its a direct link to a post from Torvalds...
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Re: Linus saying: action >> idea

Post by Peet » 30 Jul 2012, 17:04

very_bad_soldier wrote:So you say what he states is exclusively targeted at kernel debuggers?
Yes, that is very clear in the linked post.
very_bad_soldier wrote:And his opinion about application debugging is a totally different one? He mentioned kernel debuggers specifically at some points but for me it looks like he is talking about debuggers in general most of the time. It seems he hates debuggers and I cant see a sentence that could make me believe his stance on application debugging is a totally different one. I believe he would have made it clear if that was the case.

Is there any indication for that I didnt see? (serious question)

Btw how is this related to hearsay? Its a direct link to a post from Torvalds...
Maybe. Maybe not. To say either is a subjective extrapolation of his opinion on kernel debugging. This is exactly what I am referring to as hearsay - your paraphrasing.
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Re: Linus saying: action >> idea

Post by smoth » 30 Jul 2012, 17:17

Taking things out of context on the internet should be a sport
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