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Prominence wrote:US should've invaded China when Soviet Union fell in 1991, and broken up into many pieces. It be similar to second suppression of Boxer Rebellion.

Ever since China open up its trading to the world, they have been acquiring vast amounts of foreign technologies because of their trading policy was to hand over technology for selling goods to China. The foreign nations who saw large market in China agreed to it, and now it's more problematic.

X86 is meant to die sooner or later. People's ignorance have kept it alive for this long and Microsoft. I hope that Intel can die with it, but they probably won't. They just need to learn to get license from ARM Holdings.

Anyway, this news of Chinese processor is not a good news, and I hope they fail.
You support the US's imperialism? The citizens of the USA should rise up against their masters to stop these "policies" and many other policies of similar severeness. The US citizens who are not completely brainwashed don't want to invade the entire world just because it is good for a few corporations and powerful people...

How exactly is China having technology problematic? I won't deny issues in that country but the US and others have things going on that are just as bad. You disgust me.
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Licho wrote:Chinnese are hardly communists, their social services are worse than in europe. Its just one party country with limited freedoms, thats all you can say..

In communistic europe, you could not run a private enterprise, there was no such thing, it was forbidden to employ people, only state could do it, it was forbidden to own a company etc..

Its nothing like a communism.
ah the good old time !
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Licho wrote:Chinnese are hardly communists, their social services are worse than in europe. Its just one party country with limited freedoms, thats all you can say..

In communistic europe, you could not run a private enterprise, there was no such thing, it was forbidden to employ people, only state could do it, it was forbidden to own a company etc..

Its nothing like a communism.
Tell that to China. Well really if you compare their GDP per capita with European nations you could see why their social services must not be on the same level. Some things are more out of neccessity than choice. Try giving pensions to 100+ million old and infirm people and see how well that goes.

It's not like they don't have pension, health care and public schooling. They do and it's pretty good all things considered. It's just that even the billions they spend on business investments would simply be a question of a few dollars per child if it all was invested into the public sector.

It's better to build a man a dam to fish in than to give him unemployment checks.

Communism is not really the right word for it though, it's more like socio-capitalism. Nobody in China is ashamed of earning millions now, if they were real communists you should go to prison for getting rich.
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malric wrote:Desktop computing becomes quite a commodity. Companies need word editor and browsers, not 3D graphics. And even if they build these "obsolete" systems they build up experience. The danger for me is to consider unable to advance. So, I would invest more in research and engineering to make sure we are better than china.
first just a "simple" word editor isn't that simple, ask people using Word to use openoffice and they'll tell you what they think about it, then you're completely wrong, administrations have their own softwares to do a lot of things, industry too, small shops etc, actually most companies have their own softwares to make almost everything and it costs a lot. Also, people are used to windows, just changing the OS is hard, microsoft spend A LOT of time and money to make windows retrocompatible, so you'd have to tell everyone, stop using your softwares, and make new one for the new processor very cheap we're making. Then teach all your staff to use the new softwares. But to make new softwares, you need IDE, compilators etc, most of them only working for x86 ... don't expect anything to change for a very VERY long time
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Satirik wrote:first just a "simple" word editor isn't that simple
Was not implying is that simple, was saying you do not need the latest technologies. One of my computer, 8 years old, still can do browsing and editing and lots of other things (not development).
Satirik wrote:ah the good old time !
At least the pleasures in life were simple back then, correct? Good we have N Korea to remind us how nice it can become.
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Social benefits are not a matter of nation's wealth. Its a matter of redistribution.
Even poor state can guarantee everyone a free schools, free healthcare a job, good pension, nearly free housing. And that the differences between highest earners and lowest arent big. Communistic countries did this.

On this scale, China is in similar spot as USA. There is no top notch free healthcare, or top notch free universities, or free houses and job guarantees or state pension as high as your normal salaries.
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China is nothing near communist. The income inequality in the country is even higher than that of the U.S. Other than the central government having stake in a lot of strategically significant companies, China is probably the least communistic. It's been over thirty years since China officially switched to a socialist economy, and nobody in the West seems to have caught on to that.
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Abandoned technology != bad technology

Many technologies these days are abandoned for economic coreporate political and marketing reasons rather than because they're good and bad, else we'd have left the IBM PC architecture a very long time ago.
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Sabutai wrote:
Prominence wrote:US should've invaded China
China has the bomb. :roll:
US had Aegis Combat Systems and Patriot missiles at the time, which are more than enough to defend against any incoming nuclear ICBMs.
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Hoi wrote: You support the US's imperialism? The citizens of the USA should rise up against their masters to stop these "policies" and many other policies of similar severeness. The US citizens who are not completely brainwashed don't want to invade the entire world just because it is good for a few corporations and powerful people...

How exactly is China having technology problematic? I won't deny issues in that country but the US and others have things going on that are just as bad. You disgust me.
Yes, I fully support and endorse US imperialism over Communism. US imperialism is and was far better option than being Communist puppet, it's like difference between a heaven and a hell.

US imperialism has done a fantastic job of keeping peace in the east Asia and throughout the world and shown to be the far better option than communism and/or any other alternatives. I do watch and read some foreign news, so I know what their views are, and seen how US was there to stop them from going to war.


1. There is huge economic gap between rich and poor in China compared to US even with current economic policy.

2. US corporation give far more benefits to people than Chinese corporations even with all the corruptions.

3. There are far less corruptions in the developed countries including US than in China and developing countries.

4. China is communist for a fact and it would be foolish to make up stories about how they are not.

5. China promote communism to its neighboring countries, and people in those countries suffer from poverty.

Learn facts, not fictions.
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4. China is communist for a fact and it would be foolish to make up stories about how they are not.
chinese "communism" is a farce and is geared toward capitalist gains. there is no aspiration to marxism; government officials are in charge of economic growth in their domains and the redistribution of wealth is nowhere even close to even. chinese communism died with mao zedong in the late 1970s and was replaced by single-party capitalism.

to call china communist is a fallacy; it's an outdated term... might as well call the united states a democracy rather than a republic
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4. China is communist for a fact and it would be foolish to make up stories about how they are not.
Looks like today's youth isn't capable of even telling the difference between planned and market economy. Or is this just US education talking? :P
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Prominence wrote:
Sabutai wrote:
Prominence wrote:US should've invaded China
China has the bomb. :roll:
US had Aegis Combat Systems and Patriot missiles at the time, which are more than enough to defend against any incoming nuclear ICBMs.
the patriot missiles suck balls especially at that time
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Satirik wrote:
the patriot missiles suck balls especially at that time
And couldn't Catch all the Scuds missile like they said...
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Licho wrote:Social benefits are not a matter of nation's wealth. Its a matter of redistribution.
Even poor state can guarantee everyone a free schools, free healthcare a job, good pension, nearly free housing. And that the differences between highest earners and lowest arent big. Communistic countries did this.

On this scale, China is in similar spot as USA. There is no top notch free healthcare, or top notch free universities, or free houses and job guarantees or state pension as high as your normal salaries.
If a country is poor and underdeveloped anyone with ambition will leave it any chance they get. Please tell me how a country with $50,00 GDP per capita is comparable to one with $5000(from wikipedia, I think this number is wrong). Do you understand anything about how expensive the things you are expecting as a westerner really are? A CT-scanner costs $500,000+ just to buy, and then you have the add operating costs.

China has universities that are ranked higher than the ones in your country and mine too for that matter. Free if you have the grades to get in.

People hardly pay any taxes and rent is ridiculously low even in large cities.

Healthcare in cities is quite good. It's heavily subsidized and they have a lot of doctors. Waiting times are much shorter than in any public western emergency clinic.

Bear in mind that there is no reason why the public sector over there won't continue to improve as they continue to enrich themselves by flooding western markets with cheap disposable goods. :O
Prominence wrote:
Sabutai wrote:
Prominence wrote:US should've invaded China
China has the bomb. :roll:
US had Aegis Combat Systems and Patriot missiles at the time, which are more than enough to defend against any incoming nuclear ICBMs.
You can't really shoot down anything traveling at Mach 20+ speeds. ICBMs can basically only be intercepted before they reach cruise speeds.
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Karl wrote:
Satirik wrote:
the patriot missiles suck balls especially at that time
And couldn't Catch all the Scuds missile like they said...
Yes, they had few instances where the missile failed to intercept some scuds due to some issues with floating point, despite that the missile generally had high success rate. Also Raytheon had almost a year to fix the problem by the time the Soviet Union collapsed.
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Prominence wrote:
Karl wrote:
Satirik wrote:
the patriot missiles suck balls especially at that time
And couldn't Catch all the Scuds missile like they said...
Yes, they had few instances where the missile failed to intercept some scuds due to some issues with floating point, despite that the missile generally had high success rate. Also Raytheon had almost a year to fix the problem by the time the Soviet Union collapsed.
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/nuclear ... rwar1.html

Please read or at least skim this.
Warhead delivery failure due to antiballistic defense / antiair and mechanic malfunction is accounted.

If the white house receives a letter from Russia tomorrow saying all US position in middle east will be purged in nuclear hellfire unless cleared within 1 month you will pull out even if you have to peddle soldiers out on unicycles.

Also you know that scene in Cowboy Bepop where they try to intercept a missile and then it splits in multiple independent warheads ? :3
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Prominence wrote:
Karl wrote:
Satirik wrote:
the patriot missiles suck balls especially at that time
And couldn't Catch all the Scuds missile like they said...
Yes, they had few instances where the missile failed to intercept some scuds due to some issues with floating point, despite that the missile generally had high success rate. Also Raytheon had almost a year to fix the problem by the time the Soviet Union collapsed.
that's not what they say :

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The Patriot missile system was not the spectacular success in the Persian Gulf War that the American public was led to believe. There is little evidence to prove that the Patriot hit more than a few Scud missiles launched by Iraq during the Gulf War, and there are some doubts about even these engagements. The public and the United States Congress were misled by definitive statements of success issued by administration and Raytheon representatives during and after the war.
if it fails at intercepting a 50years old missile technology made in irak .. what will it do against a modern missile made in china ?

na everybody knows the best way to protect yourself against nuke is to have MOAR NUKE !
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Prominence wrote:
Sabutai wrote:
Prominence wrote:US should've invaded China
China has the bomb. :roll:
US had Aegis Combat Systems and Patriot missiles at the time, which are more than enough to defend against any incoming nuclear ICBMs.
I remember those patriots doing well against those scuds hitting israel. And that AEGIS System actually got stuff done with some artillerygrenades and might do good against starting missilles.

Its are posts like this, that make me praise the bomb and hate every protection mechanism. Just imagine a world without it. Horny, mindless teenagers following there psychopathic (yet, very aware of there own safety) leaders into death and useless destruction. God we need more of these, if only to keep guys like you without war-chieftains and talking bull on the board.

I would appreciate it if china build a better chip, getting rid of the intel arch-enemy-itecture. Its a fucking joke.
"General purpose Registers." HA.
"Data best be stored outside, you dont need that many registers." HA²
"Lets keep it backwardcompatible at all costs." HA³°°° site instruction reference manual.
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Off-topic thread is off-topic. I don't get it; what's so bad about China having good technology, especially consumer technology? Being against China's competition is being against free trade, which is pretty communist.
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