1v0ry_k1ng wrote:
somthing tells me you get your oppinions from fox news
I feel also that his opinions are quite narrowmindend without much real life facts. Maybe too much one cause sources and one way media...
So busy debate here that Im not able to keep up...
Raghna wrote:Satirik wrote:german killed 2millions jew in 4years, japanese killed millions (20 millions ?) of chinese in 3years ... who wins ?
This is not a contest about what war has the most casualties.
Why did you start making such analogies in the first place then? Isn't it quite problematic to compare historical and geopolitically specified statistics to todays scale. You just cant use numbers here as a proof of concept
Then you are blaming others using similiar comparisions...
Otherside wrote:All religions should just be abolished tbh. I know its a bit late now but really the majority of the problems the world has now in terms of wars etc are mainly due to differences based on religion (also most wars in the past)
I hate all religions some more so than others because of there retardation.
Wow wow... Now this is going pretty wild here. Since when most of the wars of past have been because of religion? It's rather that religioin has been the justification, not the cause... Read your history books a bit more carefully!
Your hatred also tells more about your retardation than the retardation of human nature and his tendency and passion to spirituality and reasoning to the meaning of life...
Jazcash wrote:I see no point in continuing with this unless people realise that the old testament is before the birth of Jesus Christ which is before he "died for our sins". That's when morality was set in stone.
You know, in the Old Testament, it states that the only people who could be Christians were Jews. In fact, it states countless things which the New Testament teaches against.
All the quotes of the Bible in this thread are from the Old Testament and are quoted without any context at all. If you could find some New Testament quotes, that would be great. Thanks.
Jaz seems to have problems realising the point that there is no true christianity as there is no true islam in the light of this perspective we need to use to understand this whole issue of drawings of muhammad. Old testament is clearly a part of christianity and its legacy and dogma. If you want to speak about churches that are based only on new testament, then dont use word christianity here.
One could compare this to the hadhits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith and claim that no, they are not part of true islam...
Anyway... this is, I think, the most important point, and the whole idea of the topic, I'd like to grasp on:
TradeMark wrote:forest_devil wrote:as far as i see it if someone has the right to insult you then you have the right to insult them back.
thats childish... just shut up if someone insults you, its the best.. dont feed the trolls.
TradeMark wrote:Raghna wrote:, but we can't give in to them, just like a parent can't give in to his child crying because it wants that toy he saw on television.
I feel the same... they are just kids who cry for their toy. We cant give up. Or we end up like in that one movie... and what happened? the computer took over the world and we were just puppets doing that what he told us to do, following his new rules, and we prayed for salvation for the mistakes we did. Do you want that to happen to your kids? Do you?? Oh wwait, thats pretty much what all religions are about...
And you people think that it is grown up and morally noble to insult and provoke in the first place? You think that it's alright to dishonor someones faith and worldview by drawing a totally tasteless picture of someones god fucking a pig just because it will defend your right of free speech? I say that is totally childish, no matter how well the end would justify the means, which although I really doubt.
Why is it so necessary to offend someones sacred things or hurt sensitive feelings intentionally? No other way to go?
I agree that it is totally unacceptable to terrorize and threaten someones life because of his sayings. And I see it as a problem that some of the muslims takes it so seriously but I totally understand why they feel offended and provoked.
Isn't that what you and they want? To keep feeding the conflict until it escalates and blood is shed... Then
you would have even more reason to hate each other.
I dont want to be fancy and unrealistic here. Just trying to raise some questions and give some other points to think about... This kind of provokation is ridiculous no pointing fingers to any sides...
TradeMark wrote:I agree, brainwashing is never good, and it should be stopped. Making all religions illegal would be the best choice.
Now this is very sad... Banning all religions? Making illegal something that is part and the very reason of our current existence, the natural human affection and tendency to ethical, philosophical, cosmological reasoning? You shouldn't think religion as an institution or dogmatic monotheistic monster in every case, but ultimately as a way of thinking and coping in life.